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Thinking about Sam... 
15th-Dec-2013 09:59 pm
Hair angst
I made this little gif set and posted it to tumblr recently.

Sam-if-I'm-deadSam-no-one-hurt
Sam-Gad-kills-kevin


I was thinking about how sad it is that Sam ended up doing exactly what he hoped would never happen (again).



As sad as it is I am kind of excited by it because it speaks volumes about Sam and the recurring nightmare of having his body being out of his control. The fact that this connection has been made from episode 1 to episode 9 gives me hope that not only this, but all the issues surrounding it will be addressed in the second half. Yes yes I can hear you say don't hold your breath - but I'm going to *holds*. Also, Dean heard Sam say this. It has to hit home.



Also, I posted some S8 Sam hair gifs which resulted in some very serious meta on how Sam's hair represents his state of being here at supergifs Yep. It's very deep. And short.
Comments 
15th-Dec-2013 03:07 pm (UTC)
Wow, this is so sad...I never made the direct connection :(
16th-Dec-2013 12:17 pm (UTC)
Isn't it. :(
15th-Dec-2013 03:23 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about how sad it is that Sam ended up doing exactly what he hoped would never happen (again).

I saw this coming from the beginning of the possession story-line and one of the main reasons I was so angry with Dean from the beginning. As you know from when we discussed the episode I was always of the opinion that when Sam agreed to go with Death it was not about Sam being suicidal. Rather bearing in mind the previous consequences of the brothers meddling with the natural order (Dean's time in hell, the apocolypse and the numerous deaths caused as a result of it etc) he did not want any one else getting hurt from yet another resurrection. I find it so tragic that despite Sam's attempt to do the right thing thanks to Dean's meddling the very thing he most feared has come to pass :(. Worst of all unlike the deaths of the apocalypse or even Dean's torture in hell which were caused by external beings the death of Kevin (and who knows there may be others in future) will feel more personal as it was his body used to kill them.

While I feel that Sam has no reason to feel guilty whatsoever (the guilt lies with Dean and Gadreel) we all know that since it was his body used Sam is going to feel as guilty as hell. That's just tragic :(
15th-Dec-2013 03:47 pm (UTC)
I think the other reason Sam will feel guilty is because yet again he let himself be tricked by a supernatural being. Sam had no idea he was saying yes to possession by Gadreel, but he did say yes. Considering his state of mind in the church, it may be very easy to blame himself for being tricked. He was tricked by Ruby and Lilith and to some extent the angels into starting the Apocalypse. Now he's been tricked again and Kevin is dead because he was tricked. Sam was feeling like such a failure before that it may bleed into his reactions to what Dean did.
15th-Dec-2013 03:59 pm (UTC)
Ouch... it's strange... Dean and Sam always want to save people but whenever they save or try to save each other, people die because of them. So somehow, they are needed because people live because of them, but on the other hand... many things that caused people to die only happened because they tried to live.
Maybe it's a creepy kind of balance? :/
16th-Dec-2013 01:01 pm (UTC)
Oh yes.. That's the irony of their lives. ;/

I suppose in their lives they are dealing with such massive forces, they are bound to be the cause of some misery. But yeah, they save a lot of lives also. Oh boys!
15th-Dec-2013 04:18 pm (UTC)
I think the saddest thing about Sam is that he hasn't got a say in his own life for a very very long time. He's been reacting (or worse, like in S9, deprived of control) instead of acting. And this set of gifs... poor Sam :(

Edited at 2013-12-15 04:35 pm (UTC)
16th-Dec-2013 01:02 pm (UTC)
*meep* yes…;(
15th-Dec-2013 04:36 pm (UTC)
OUCH. Yeah, the more I think of it the more it is really sad. :(

I am excited for them to address this in the second half. I hope they'll give it justice. I predict the fallout will be major. Poor Sam.

Ooh, hair meta!! I like! Thanks for the rec :)
16th-Dec-2013 01:04 pm (UTC)
I actually hope the fallout is major. I mean, I HATE them being at odd with each other but they have really set up a good reason for them to be at odds (compared to last season). I want to see this played out rather thoroughly. I absolutely want them to get past this, but not without some serious soul searching.
15th-Dec-2013 06:16 pm (UTC)
My question is how are they going to make it believable for the boys to be back hunting together within a few episodes (not a spoiler, just the inevitable way this show works)? They write themselves into these corners and then have to sacrifice any kind of appropriate aftermath in order to make the formula work.
15th-Dec-2013 08:00 pm (UTC)
True nuff, fallout from this *should* last for years, just like both of their PTSD etc, etc, etc - but we know it won't. Guess it's down to us fanficcers again then...
15th-Dec-2013 08:05 pm (UTC)
Consequences on top of consequences - and it's not as if Dean doesn't understand this point himself. He's seen it for his own resurrections after all, and even had Death himself demonstrate the wider impact but still when it comes to Sam, Dean won't be able to do the right thing.

Even when it's Sam suffering the consequences this time...

Still, I'm glad you are concentrating on the really important issue of Sam's hair. That is crucial.
16th-Dec-2013 01:30 pm (UTC)
Consequences on top of consequences - and it's not as if Dean doesn't understand this point himself.

Yes but does he?! I mean, I think you are right. Deep down he knows what he's done is wrong, but when it comes to Sam he is completely and utterly clouded in his judgement (*heart* him really).

But yes. I think Sam's hair is a much more crucial issue and I think it might be demanding my attention a bit more over this hiatus. ;)

xx
15th-Dec-2013 08:45 pm (UTC)
Brilliant catch, bb! Sam is going to be devastated. D:

I can hear you say don't hold your breath - but I'm going to *holds*. Also, Dean heard Sam say this. It has to hit home.

Definitely with you in wanting it to be addressed, because this is MASSIVE and should have equally massive fallout . . . but sadly, I'm not holding out much hope that the current crop of writers will actually give it to us, not in any form most of us will agree with. Anyone with half a brain knows that, no matter what the issue between them, the guys won't stay separated for long. SPN is after all, about Sam AND Dean -- together. And SPN has a bad history of glossing important things over, whether via "time-jumps," or simply hoping that we forget things from one episode to another, which is just irritating. IDK. When TPTB separate the boys, the fans are up in arms. When they bring the guys back together, the fans are up in arms. And I'm not touching the Sam!girl vs. Dean!girl mess with a ten-meter cattle prod, but SPN writers just can't win. ;)

BUT. Supernatural may yet surprise us. "Hope springs eternal," and all. ;)

Sam!hair meta FTW! \o/
16th-Dec-2013 12:24 am (UTC)
When TPTB separate the boys, the fans are up in arms. When they bring the guys back together, the fans are up in arms.

*nods* No matter what someone is disgruntled.

What would be interesting is to actually have Sam and Dean apart and actually SHOW it instead of glossing over their issues and/or time jumping. I feel like if the writers were genuinely interested in exploring new aspects of such well known characters, this would be the logical, ballsy choice. After all, no matter what happens some faction of fandom is going to complain, but at least this way they could potentially earn back some respect for finally "going there" and an attempt at doing something novel after 9 years.
15th-Dec-2013 08:51 pm (UTC)
Oh Sam. :(

16th-Dec-2013 01:40 pm (UTC)
*hugs* him to pieces.
15th-Dec-2013 10:40 pm (UTC)
I always took it to mean that no one else would get hurt, trying to bring him back. Like Dean selling his soul. And Sam knows that he's done a lot of good, his inner "Bobby" told him in 9.01 "All the good you've done, all the people you've saved, all the sacrifices you've made? You've saved the world, son. How many people can say that? How many people can say that they have left this godforsaken hunk of dirt that much a better place?"

I can see what you're saying, after what happened to Kevin. Poor Sam. :( And yet, lives were also saved. Because Gadreel brought Cas and Charlie back to life.

Edited at 2013-12-15 10:41 pm (UTC)
16th-Dec-2013 01:52 pm (UTC)
I think it can be taken like that also. I think at the time I was also thinking about the sacrifices that have been made for him. Dean going to hell for sure. But now it feels like he could have also meant what he ends up doing when he's resurrected. Or what he does when he's not really himself. He could have been thinking about when he was soulless, or when he had Meg in him or what he did when Dean was gone. I think the beauty of it is that he was probably thinking about it ALL.

Learning that Death was part of Sam's imagination (according to the actor who plays Death) makes me think the the "well played" was Sam's way of finalising his life. He was acknowledging the good he had done (and I do think that Sam understands that a lot of what he and his father and brother have done is actually good). I think it was Sam's way of saying - I've done my bit, I did well and now I'm ready to die and that be it! Don't let anyone sacrifice themselves for me or allow me to come back "wrong" and hurt anyone else.

And yet, lives were also saved. Because Gadreel brought Cas and Charlie back to life.

Yes. And I love your positive take on Gadreel. You are a lone voice (as I have found so far) so I want to keep hearing it! Gad did indeed bring them back - part of his redemption maybe (?) -but now he seems to be straying of the path (much like Sam did) so it will be interesting to see how that plays out. (I will be cheering for you if Gad ends up being a good guy!)

xoxo
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