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6th-Oct-2014 09:15 pm
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*waves*

I’ve been a little absent recently due to my parents visiting and lots of holidaying (yay!). However, I have been lurking A LOT and reading all your wonderful countdown to S10 posts. I’ve loved reading your recaps and looking back at the seasons in retrospect. I haven’t commented as much as I would have liked to, but please know I’ve been reading!

I am going to my own little retrospective with as few words as I can manage:



S1: It’s a big call, but this is probably my favourite season. I suspect it’s more to do with nostalgia than the quality of the season but I will never forget how heavily I fell for this addictive show. That first year was so exciting. I fell for Sam and his floppy hair and Dean with his sex-ass smirk and of course their amazing relationship. Fave eps: Pilot, Home, Faith, Skin, Nightmare, Hell House, The Benders, Salvation, Devil’s Trap (in fact, there’s not many I didn’t love).

S2: The love affair continued and this was the season I started to really participate in fandom. The season completed the story arc that started in S1. The brothers found their father and killed the YED. It also showed us death is not permanent, nor is not a state that would free them from their fight. Fave eps: In My Time of Dying, Croatoan, Hunted, Born Under a Bad Sign and What is and Should Never Be.

S3: I always think of this as the short season. It never really felt complete to me, though achieved quite a lot in a short space of time. Looking back it was the bridging season between 1 and 2 and then 4 and 5. Ruby was introduced and became a major player in S4. Bela was also introduced - though unfortunately her character didn't ever seem to be fully realised. Fave eps: Bad Day at Black Rock, A Very SPN Xmas and Mystery Spot.

S4: I know S4 is a favourite of many, but I remember having a hard time with it because of the disconnect between the brothers (hee, seems mild now looking back). I really struggled with Sam going behind Dean’s back to meet up with Ruby and I was most upset by Dean not understanding what Sam was doing and Sam not trusting Dean when he said what he was doing was bad bad bad. Looking back, it’s really quite an amazing season in terms of its overall story arc. It deepened the mytharc and opened up the universe to angels and demons. I sometimes wish they hadn’t gone in that direction, but I also think it’s possibly why the show has lasted as long as it has. Fave eps: Lazarus Rising, I Know What you Did Last Summer, After School Special, Sex and Violence, On the Head of a Pin, Jump the Shark (come on! Sam is tied to a table!) and When the Levee Breaks.

S5: This season felt so dark to me (combined with S4). The boys continued to be disconnected – losing trust after all that occurred in S4. But it was about building their bond back up again and resolving some issues that we saw between them. Mostly, Sam redeeming himself for letting Lucifer free and Dean letting Sam grow up (and letting Sam go). It completed Kripke’s 5 year plan for SPN and other than the very ending (with Sam in Hell and Dean not) it was extremely satisfying. Fave eps: The End, Abandon All Hope, Dark Side of the Moon and Swan Song.

S6: Oh man, soulless!Sam. I found this SO difficult. The brothers weren’t the brothers and Sam wasn’t Sam and I was hurting so much. It was a clever way to handle Sam’s return from the pit, but it was a struggle accepting this version of Sam (exept he was damn hot!). I think it was very well handled, but I can’t deny I was so relieved when Sam got his soul back. Fave eps: Weekend at Bobby’s, Appointment in Samara, The French Mistake and Frontierland.

S7: I actually really liked this season. I think I am one of the few people who liked the Leviathans. Mostly, I loved the idea of them. I personally believe that large corporations who control our food are the modern day monster, so I think it was a great twist on that. Sadly, it ended up being poorly concluded. I also loved Hallucifer. There were also some great brother moments. In fact, this is one of the few seasons where the boys were, for the most part, on the same page and working well together. It was a shame that the hallucinations were resolved so poorly and the final episode was very weak. Fave eps: Hello Cruel World, Slash Fiction, Death’s Door, Time After Time, The Born Again-Identity (not the end), The Girl with the Dungeon and Dragons Tattoo.

S8: If the Sam-not-looking-for-Dean story line was removed completely and them being over the top jealous of each others’ others (Sam over Benny and Dean over Amelia) – this season wouldn’t be so bad. Purgatory!Dean was interesting, I loved the intro of the Bunker and the Men of Letters and I enjoyed the dynamic between them that the trials brought. I will never forgive them for changing Sam’s character or making Dean do something as horrid as use Sam’s history of women he loves dying against him. S8 introduced a side of Sam and Dean that I feel is darker than anything we’d ever seen before. A nastiness that I’m still trying to cope with. Fave eps: Larp and the Real Girl, As Time Goes by, Everybody Hates Hitler and The Great Escapist. I loved parts of The Sacrifice but there’s too much that rubs against me to put as a favourite.

S9: I wrote about this season recently so I won’t rehash it. I think (hope), I’ll look back on this one with more fondness in years to come. I’m afraid that Sam’s treatment was just too horrible for me to think favourably about it at the moment.



I was going to make this a separate post but I'm running out of time, so I'll cram it into this one.

Hopes (and Fears) for S10.

Each year I write a list of hopes for the coming season. Usually it contains things like "I hope we get to see the boys washing the car" and "I want to see their first aid kit". This time it feels more like deal-breaker hopes. I've long realised that I'll probably watch every episode of this show until it ends. I've been with it far too long to not keep watching. But my patience is running very very thin and if I find myself left with nothing but negative thoughts and feelings I will be making a very strong effort to step right back (as in, I won't continue with episode reviews if they're only full of WTF?! I think there's definitely room for show discussion even if it's negative - constructive crit is useful, but I'm, also aware that constant negativity is draining - especially if everyone else is squeeing).

So. Thoughts about S10.



Aside from hoping that we get some awesome MoTW stories (they are usually my favourite episodes), the boys working well together (at some point!), a scene of them washing the impala (one day please!), patching each other up (ALWAYS on my wish list) and some genuine bro!moments (not last minute, finale tokens), I hope we get:

Probably the main thing that will go a long way in making bother S8 and S9 better for me will be they bring the "how far is too far" theme up front and centre. I don't need it to be "lecture-y, or even give us a definitive line, but with the can of worms they opened last season with Dean crossing a pretty major line to keep Sam alive, it desperately needs to be explored. It was an issue WAY back in S1 when Sam looked for a way to save Dean in Faith - then later in S3 when Sam was looking for ways of saving Dean (Time is On My Side). Then Dean sold his soul to bring Sam back from the dead in S2 that created a knock-on effect of trouble for both of them for seasons to come. It's a theme that's been present for many seasons, but the characters don't seem to have fully realised the knock-on effect their choices have. Which is actually fine, because I think it's a bigger part of their character development, but it would be great to see it coming to ahead this season (and I seriously don't want it to be about what one character has done. If Dean calls Sam on something he does to save him and Dean as no understanding of what he's done in the past I will probably rage-quit (temporarily)).

I think I have more "don't wants" than "wants" for this season. I know I have to be prepared for much the same kind of relationship between the two of them that we've seen during Carver's tenure. That underlying tension of mistrust and dishonestly will (sadly) still be present, but I do hope that by the end of the season they've made some inroads in re-building their relationship. I seriously don't think I could endure a whole season of dis-like between them. Sure, the love they have for each other will always be there - ALWAYS, but I'd love to see the "like" for each other return. I'd love to see them build their trust again. I'd be happy with a slow build and I really want to see some solid resolutions begin to be developed.

I know that I will start to seriously buckle if we have any more situations where Sam's autonomy is removed and NOTHING is said about it. Or worse, that Sam is made out to be the "bad" brother again (or be in a situation where he gets vilified for decisions he has to make). Or that Dean gets away with doing something questionable and it not be examined in some way.

I'm hoping we get a massively interesting Demon!Dean. I'd love him to be layered and not simply charming or nasty (or whatever). I am excited about watching him and seeing how this effects the brother dynamic. I am curious to see what lengths Sam will go to save Dean - I just hope he doesn't do something so stupid that it becomes unbelievable. I'll be curious how they justify a Sam who didn't bother to look for Dean in S8 to a Sam who will do something horrible to save him. I'm excited by that - but also a tiny bit worried. But I'm not going to waste worry. I'll wait and see!



A couple of recs: Great to see this interview/promo by IMDB. What to Watch (Spoilery)

and if you haven't seen deirdre_c's vid Do My Thing DO SO! It's a great look at what makes Sam and Dean so awesome.
Comments 
6th-Oct-2014 01:56 pm (UTC)
Loved this a lot. Agreed with everything you said. As always I just want to point and say, "What she said."

And that vid is awesome.

Not sure I will have time to do a similar post, but I admit I'd like to. Of course I could just say...."what she said." ;P
7th-Oct-2014 11:16 am (UTC)
Thanks hun. I've been wanting to write some stuff and I had a window of opportunity last night. :)

The vid is great isn't it? Always great to get a Dei vid! (especially after I thought we may not see one again…;D)
xx
6th-Oct-2014 02:52 pm (UTC)
That vid is a thing of beauty.
*nods*

I really like your recap and find I hold many similar opinions about several seasons.

I am somewhat tired of the brothers at odds with each other, it's almost gotten so bad with the pain and angst that it's in danger of becoming boring. But like you I will continue watching because I really do love the show and these characters are so fascinating to me.

I found watching it 1-2 weeks after it aired (and therefore behind fandom) gave me enough distance season 9 to enjoy it. I will probably do that after the first couple episodes of season 10. I don't seem to watch with the same lens as 90% of people I encounter online - haha.

I am looking forward to MOTW and if there is a scene washing the Impala I just might faint in delight. :)
7th-Oct-2014 11:23 am (UTC)
Vid yay!

it's almost gotten so bad with the pain and angst that it's in danger of becoming boring

Yeah, especially if it just keeps going around and around with no real character growth. I'd love to see that turn around this season I have to say.

I don't think I could bear watching after fandom! I couldn't keep off line long enough to not be spoiled (though, maybe being spoiled might help me be prepared!).

I love MoTW stories and please PLEASE impala washing (Robbie Thompson has been teasing us with it on Twitter).

6th-Oct-2014 03:23 pm (UTC)
I think that as long as the writers keep recycling the "one of them is on the verge of death" story, they are going to keep doing shady things to save each other. Otherwise, we have "Sam not looking for Dean in purgatory" outrage all over again. These dudes are extreme and their relationship is extreme -- that's how we got to S10 in the first place. The minute you make these guys ~healthy (whatever the hell that means on a horror show lol) is, frankly, when people will start getting bored.

That being said, the writers should just STOP DOING IT. They don't have to be on the verge of death every year. If there is a problem, let them work as a team/unit/partners and have them figure that shit out before it gets to that point. You can still have angst and drama (an example this year: Mark of Cain sticking around post-demonization) but instead of them doing anything for each other after the fact, have them work together as partners before the fact.

Just my two cents.

/Carver is the devil
7th-Oct-2014 11:45 am (UTC)
Otherwise, we have "Sam not looking for Dean in purgatory" outrage all over again.

Yeah, and I am always torn by this, because on the one hand Sam not looking for Dean shows major character growth - the ability to actually let the other go, but on the other hand as we never got to truly understand that level of development from Sam (dog hit, met girl) it felt out of character. I actually love the idea of Sam attempting to move on without Dean, but I needed so much more in the story to believe Sam could do this (grrr, just thinking about this makes me cross all over again because that story line had so much damn potential for Sam - and Amelia and the exploration of duty and family and loss. Instead it ended up - Sam = bad brother).

The minute you make these guys ~healthy (whatever the hell that means on a horror show lol) is, frankly, when people will start getting bored.

Yeah, it's a dilemma. I do love the screwed up nature of their relationship and doing stupid things to save each other is part of that - but it just feels like it needs to come to a head at some point.

They don't have to be on the verge of death every year. If there is a problem, let them work as a team/unit/partners and have them figure that shit out before it gets to that point.

THIS! It would be incredible to see end of the world stuff but see them working together to solve it. I'm not sure why they have to always be at such odds with each other - or be so horrible to each other. Sure, have disagreements (hello, brothers!), but they've worked together now for SO LONG, surely they've figured out that TALKING TO EACH OTHER actually helps the situation (but yeah, creates less drama for us to chatter about…).

Just my two cents.

Always valuable. :)
xx

(Carver IS the devil - which is very apt considering the show…)




6th-Oct-2014 03:41 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, I think it goes without saying that Sam will be made out to be the 'bad' one of them again. Carver has made it very clear in interviews that much of at least the beginning of the season will revolve around which one of them is truly the real monster. As soon as I read that I almost gave up hope entirely. I mean seriously, they make Dean into a super demon and Carver is still finding ways to demonise Sam! In all honesty I think Carver truly dislikes the character.

I've lost pretty much all enthusiasm I had about the new season. I'll watch, but I won't be running to the TV like I used to. Unless it really does come with some major surprises this season, Supernatural is no longer a show I get excited about which is really sad. It won't even bother me if I miss it for weeks at a time and have to play catch up. I haven't even organised anything so that I can see the show as soon as it airs. I'll just wait until it airs here next week. I'm not even worried at all about reading people's analysis and having it spoiled, I can barely summon up the energy to care.

I love Sam and Dean, and I truly love seasons one through seven, but I've only liked bits and pieces after that. I'll probably be content watching all of my DVDs of previous seasons. I'm now looking for a new show to sink my teeth into. I still do hope that I can get my enthusiasm for Supernatural back, but I'm not holding my breath.
7th-Oct-2014 11:53 am (UTC)
Unfortunately, I think it goes without saying that Sam will be made out to be the 'bad' one of them again.

Yeah, very likely. And actually I feel like embracing that if it comes about because if they are going to constantly make Sam out to be "the bad brother" then I'll defend him!! I think part of Sam's character is about being misunderstood - about being out of step and not really appreciated. So if this continues to be his "theme" then maybe it's all going to be about just that. (actually, I'm reading that story you recc'd on the newsletter and that's really brought home how alienated Sam is. Maybe the way they are constructing Sam is about keeping him alienated to a degree…).

I'm still excited for S10 - I am curious about demon!Dean and looking forward to seeing what Sam will do to save Dean.

I tend to fluctuate between being really excited and being really scared! One more day and we'll see what the approach may be….
6th-Oct-2014 05:10 pm (UTC)
I think I'm purposely trying not to think too hard about what I want this year. Like you said, I'm here until the end and I like to think that no matter what, I will find something to enjoy in season 10.

But I'd love to see the boys wash the car, to see the first aid kit and the patch up. And thanks to your vid, I want to see the green cooler too!! :)

But really, I can honestly say I'm excited about the potential of Deanmon, and how Sam is going to deal with it. And judging by a photo I saw on twitter..... spoiler ahead..... I'm really looking forward to seeing Jody Mills again (and fingers crossed maybe even Charlie too!?!)

Basically - I'm ready! Bring on season 10!
7th-Oct-2014 11:55 am (UTC)
Hey,

I will find something to enjoy in season 10.

Hee - I'm SURE there will be something to enjoy! In fact, from the promos I've already seen stuff I KNOW I will enjoy ('cause I'm shallow in many ways…). And yes - Jody and maybe Charlie. YAY!

*buckles in* I'm ready too!

6th-Oct-2014 06:06 pm (UTC)
Please don't stop the episode reaction posts, even if your reaction is negative - unless it's too depressing for you, that is. My reactions tend to be squee while I'm watching followed by a big fat BUT once the episode has finished and I have time to reflect. Except on the really bad episodes when the BUT happens before the end, or the really fab episodes where BUT doesn't raise it's ugly head at all.
I really love reading your thinky thoughts, you help be clarify my muddled ones...
7th-Oct-2014 11:57 am (UTC)
I really want to continue with the posts because I love discussing the show. I'll probably give warnings if they are too negative. I'm really love them not to be - I hope we get some great episodes!

Not long now!! \o/
6th-Oct-2014 06:15 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I can actually understand Sam not looking for Dean between S7 and S8, even if show handled it horribly. I think Sam has learned that there are worse fates than death and the damage messing with the natural order can cause.

(However, I would have wanted them to either a) show Sam checking Dean wasn't in Hell and therefore thinking he was in Heaven, OR b) show that Sam was truly too broken to search for Dean. That would fit better with his character from S1-7.)

So I think Sam was willing to accept Dean being dead. What I think Sam ISN'T willing to accept is Dean facing a fate WORSE than death. So Dean dead and in Heaven is OK; Dean is finally at peace. However, Dean being tortured in Hell or becoming a demon - something he hates - most definitely requires the Samface of DOOM! :D
7th-Oct-2014 12:04 pm (UTC)
I think Sam has learned that there are worse fates than death and the damage messing with the natural order can cause.

I do actually agree with this. In many ways the idea of this direction for Sam is great. I just wish (so much!) that it had been better handled. It took fans to read between the lines and write words and words of meta for it to make some sense. We just needed to see those things you mentioned for it to fully work.

So I think Sam was willing to accept Dean being dead. What I think Sam ISN'T willing to accept is Dean facing a fate WORSE than death.

I agree. I have accepted that Sam could do something crazy so Dean doesn't become something he'd hate to be (and wow, I'd love that to link to Dean understanding how horrible it must have been for Sam to have been forced to take on something HE didn't want to be in S9 - I doubt that would happen, but it would be cool if it did).

6th-Oct-2014 06:30 pm (UTC)
I fell for Sam and his floppy hair and Dean with his sex-ass smirk and of course their amazing relationship







Aw...

I so hope this is an awesome season...
7th-Oct-2014 12:04 pm (UTC)
Oh me too…:D
6th-Oct-2014 06:59 pm (UTC)
Add me to the list of "what she said" folks. ;) I do have to point this out, though... it's not a very big deal, but I was just so relieved when I saw it:

S4: I know S4 is a favourite of many, but I remember having a hard time with it because of the disconnect between the brothers

THANK YOU. Again it's another "what you said" type thing, but I've run into so many people who can't stop crowing about season 4, some of them even liking the disconnect between the brothers. Honestly, to each their own, but it's always been one of the things that I really disliked about that season, and it's one of the reasons I sometimes find it hard to rewatch it. I'm just glad to know that I'm not the only one who has a hard time with it for that reason.
7th-Oct-2014 12:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, S4 was really hard for me. It was amazing in so many ways, but their mistrust and dishonesty with each other was so hard to watch. I had to happen I suppose, but it won't ever be a real favourite season because of that. It had some incredible Sam episodes - so we actually got to see inside his head, rather than just see him as "bad brother" as we seem to be getting lately. I hope we get to see more of that in the coming season.
6th-Oct-2014 07:27 pm (UTC)
i agree with everything you said, i got nothin' to add *goes to watch vid* wow...!

Edited at 2014-10-06 07:36 pm (UTC)
7th-Oct-2014 12:08 pm (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed the vid! :D
6th-Oct-2014 08:01 pm (UTC)
Yay! thanks for your thoughts :D I super enjoyed them, and that video is awesome.

As a fellow Sam girl: this X 1000000

I know that I will start to seriously buckle if we have any more situations where Sam's autonomy is removed and NOTHING is said about it. Or worse, that Sam is made out to be the "bad" brother again (or be in a situation where he gets vilified for decisions he has to make). Or that Dean gets away with doing something questionable and it not be examined in some way.

Edited at 2014-10-06 08:01 pm (UTC)
7th-Oct-2014 12:11 pm (UTC)
*links Sam!girl arms* Let's hope it doesn't happen!

Glad you enjoyed the vid. :))
6th-Oct-2014 09:17 pm (UTC)
♥_♥
7th-Oct-2014 12:12 pm (UTC)
*snuggles*
6th-Oct-2014 09:27 pm (UTC)
I'm still stuck on demon!Dean and can't seem to make room for other thoughts on what I'd like to see in S10. :) It's probably my usual list of Dean calling Sam "brother", seeing awesome people back, *rock music plays*, and of course the boys finding their way back to each other. :D
7th-Oct-2014 12:15 pm (UTC)
*nods* all this! I know I get stuck in my *I hope they treat Sam right* to squee about all the other things we could be seeing. But yeah, demon!Dean is exciting (but worrying if it stops tooooo soon….). I think they've opened up a potentially exciting storyline - for both the boys. :))

And yay other characters! Really want to see Jody and Charlie and many others….
7th-Oct-2014 02:59 am (UTC)
Here's to getting very few of your don't wants for S10 and some of what you do. Fingers crossed ;)

Edited at 2014-10-07 02:59 am (UTC)
7th-Oct-2014 12:16 pm (UTC)
Thanks hun! To be honest, at the moment I'll just be happy to see them back on the screen about SO LONG! I WANNA SEE THEIR FACES! <333
7th-Oct-2014 03:51 am (UTC)
Back to brothers please!!!
7th-Oct-2014 12:16 pm (UTC)
PLEASE!
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