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*waves* Coupla things.. 
9th-Feb-2011 07:02 pm
Jared SMiles
Can anyone link me to a straightforward tutorial on making .gifs? I'd really like to give them a go and my attempts so far have been pretty abysmal.

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Dean came back from hell "rehymenated." (Monster Movie) Does that mean Sam did too? *g*. The title "Like a Virgin" didn't just refer to the virgins in the show did they? In fact... I thought the title referred to Sam "slate wiped clean" anyway. Or is this kinda obvious... I am slow on the uptake as you'll know by now...

I clearly do not have enough to think about at the moment. Though actually I have a ton of things I should be thinking about. Like my lessons tomorrow... and my next vid...and making an inspiration post at sceneit. But pondering Sam's virginity is a much better way of spending the evening.

ETA: And now with pictures! courtesy of missyjack :D :D

And um now I'm thinking I need a fic with ::koff:: Dean checking if Sam...is... you know... ;)
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9th-Feb-2011 11:56 am (UTC)
Hee! I love the thinking...

Though yeah - ok, new body. I never really considered that before. And Sam's body isn't "new" so everything his body did counts. And um... yeah... I think he was pretty busy on that front..;) There was certainly no indication that Sam came back clean of scars or anything.

I suppose my feeling with the title is that it referred more to Sam's state of mind. Not so much being virginal or pure but rather starting in a place of innocence. I felt, initially anyway, there was a sense of innocence from Sam until he started to become away of something "wrong"..

Hmm.... I think some things they get us to "suspend our disbelief" on in that show is pretty out there. Dean's return to his body is one of those I reckon... I don't know why I never thought about it being a completely new, "regrown" body.. interesting.
9th-Feb-2011 12:16 pm (UTC)
Huh, okay - that's interesting, because I always assumed it was 'regrown', because right from the start Bobby was spluttering that it didn't make sense for this to be Dean - because even if his soul got out, his body was past saving. And then when the angels resurrected Adam, they pretty much had to build him a new body, because his big brothers set fire to the old one. :)

I think there is a sort of tongue-in-cheek reference going on here, in that they recognise they've done the just-came-back-from-hell story before. They never did establish quite how the dragons were picking virgins, but they did establish that there was a certain amount of trial and error involved, because they almost grabbed the wrong girl on the strength of a purity ring and a Catholic school uniform - things that suggest like virginity but aren't it.

Sam starts out thinking his situation is much like Dean's - he's fresh out of hell, and has been given a second chance; Dean says the slate is clean and there's no price left to pay. But that's not quite true.

The girl in the hospital bed says things don't count if you don't want them to, but the dragons think they count. And so does Sam - you take responsibility for what you do, even if you wish you hadn't done it.

And ... that was much more serious than I intended it to be when I started out. Sorry. Sam! Sex! :)
9th-Feb-2011 01:07 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes.. it makes perfect sense! It's just not something I really thought about. And that's exactly what they referred to anyway. I kinda just thought of him being magically healed and not completely new.

And I love your reasoning here about Sam. That's why Bobby's reaction to Sam was so very important. It showed that there are ramifications from Sam's soulless time. I like the reference to the dragon here too.

So, I have to ask you this...Sam says he has to "fix this" in his conversation Dean. Fix what he did. But I can't figure out how. I mean, he sought redemption during S5 for releasing Lucifer and found it in his sacrifice. But what can he do now? Kill monsters presumably, but I'm struggling to figure out if there's something else he should do. Surely not sacrifice himself again?

I'm only asking because this might be something I missed - bit like the Dean body thing.. :).

xx
9th-Feb-2011 01:58 pm (UTC)
Thanks. :)

No - I don't think we can say yet. Because that's the other thing Sam said: he needs to know what he did. When he let Lucifer out, he knew what he'd done so he had a concrete idea of how to fix it even before they had specific plans. Now he doesn't know. Even if he remembers everything he mightn't know all the important factors, because soulless-Sam was incurious and he wasn't in charge of this operation. So they're going to have to find out what he did and go from there.

I ... don't think it need involve self-sacrifice? I mean, the Lucifer thing was a redemption-equals-death scenario, and I don't think there's any indication here that Sam is in need of redemption. This was something that was done to him, and taking responsibility is more a matter of asserting his own identity than of needing to feel guilty. He's Sam - he fixes things because he cares about consequences.

Of course, it's going to be a season finale thing, and will likely involve the power of souls, the definition of family and purgatory, so I think it's fairly safe to say that a significant amount of self-risk will be involved for him and Dean both, but hopefully not another no-way-back plunge. That was stressful enough last time. :)

But really, I'm just blathering.
10th-Feb-2011 09:14 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's probably the way it will go.

My feeling was that Sam hadn't actually remembered anything - just knew what Cas had told him. But then... Cas didn't see everything. Like, I wonder if Cas knew Sam watched Dean be turned into a vamp. Sam apologised to Dean as though he knew he did this. Not sure. He may just have apologised for me so cold hearted. Maybe as the season moves forward Sam will learn more and more about what he did. I'll be very interested to see what happens when Samuel returns...

Wow... I'm rambling. Lots of thinky thoughts after this ep. :D

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