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3rd-Jun-2011 08:30 pm
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So um.. remember this post? Well... It's happening. /o\ Hey! Don't blame me. It's all bythedamned's fault for enabling me. *hugs* her. The good news (for me) is we have teamed together to gather some cold hard data and see what it reveals.

It's not straight forward. The variables are kinda BIG. (oh show! why demons and angels?!) But we've given ourselves "rules". Some guidelines. But yeah... it's in the works. (shutup! I do have a life..in between fandom pursuits.)

Which brings me to asking is there a comm for posting geeky data? Hee... spn_geeksareus. *g* You know what I mean... (there's gotta be considering the amount of facts and figures that fandom produces...)

Topic change...

I gotta say, I am really missing the show.

It's interesting reflecting back on S6 and finding that I am left with the feeling that I needed a little more. Not that I didn't enjoy S6. I did. In fact I think it was a very strong and brave season overall. But maybe because we had so many episodes without the "real" Sam I feel like we had a shorter season or something. I dunno. Anyone else feel that? Probably just me. Maybe I'm just pining. I needs the boys on my TV! Thank god for fandom filling in the hiatus! \o/

Last thing - (in contemplating a potential Sam vid..). How troubled do you think Sam was about his time being soulless? We got some hints... his desire to know, the little bit we saw in Sam's mind in the last ep, but there really wasn't a lot of time spent on him angsting over that during the season I thought. (which yeah... they covered that quite well with him not being allowed to remember for fear of the wall crumbling).

Are the boys at the point where they know they aren't in control of everything that happens to them and so don't angst over it so much? Are they better at coping with it? Accepting it? I was seeing that this season. Character development maybe? Does this mean they don't feel it as much? Or maybe we just don't see it because it would be all too much . Or maybe we did see it. Subtly.

Hmm... I should ban Friday night drinking blogs...

ETA: I AM IN LOVE! Jared...my god! though I have to know where this is from. I have the icon..now I need to see the whole thing....please..
3rd-Jun-2011 01:25 pm (UTC)
The short version of my opinion on whether or not the boys are coping is this: take a look at how much they both drink. Dean especially, but when Sam gets his soul back and is told not to pick at the wall? He hits the bottle pretty heavily.

So, coping? Not so much. Avoidance and denial until things blow up in their faces has always been the Winchester coping mechanism of choice.
3rd-Jun-2011 01:54 pm (UTC)
Oh yes. Good point. Dean talks about this specifically...

In fact the drinking has become a way of telegraphing suppression....

Thanks hun. I saw it but maybe didn't connect the dots...
3rd-Jun-2011 03:01 pm (UTC)
Hah. In my defense, there are totally worse things to enable (like binge drinking to forget the 40 years you spent in hell...)

3rd-Jun-2011 03:09 pm (UTC)
Hah! Yes.... Scanning the eps for stats is much more satisfying than binge drinking. Um... I think... *takes another sip* :)

3rd-Jun-2011 03:08 pm (UTC)
Having been working my way through the first 4 seasons of Numb3rs, I can't wait to see your mathematical findings hahaha

Edited at 2011-06-03 03:08 pm (UTC)
3rd-Jun-2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
Hehehe... not sure the numbers will be quite as impressive as .....er.... Numb3rs... Perhaps if we get Charlie to present them we'll be on to something.

It's in an excel doc at least. *g*
3rd-Jun-2011 03:14 pm (UTC)
I expect it in vid form with added Charlie!vision HAHA
4th-Jun-2011 12:15 am (UTC)
Oh wow! Now that would be an awesome thing to be able to pull off...

How dare you plant that seed!! *fingers in ears...lalalalala*
3rd-Jun-2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
I am definitely feeling the short season thing. I think you're right so much of the early season was spent getting the whole Robo!Sam thing off the ground ( is that Sam? What's wrong with Sam? When is *real* Sam coming back?) that the meatier episodes got pushed towards the latter end and it all felt a little rushed. I felt towards the end that it would've better if we got the heaven storyline more established a little earlier. In hindsight though, S6 was far far better than it felt living through it.

oooh vid! Is this to the song you sent me a while back? I think it was a case of he overwhelmed by the war in heaven and Cas' shenanigans before he really had a chnace to stop and think ( much like us), once thye've had some time where they're just going to be on the road the soulless thing is going to come back and haunt him.
I definitely feel the boys have matured, I think we did them feel the pressure but maybe not buckle under it as much as they would've done in earlier seasons, with Dean especially we've seen the drinking thing grow, I wonder if we're going to see that adressed properly sometimes because every episode the camera at least seemed to focus on Dean downing glass after glass. So maybe they try not feel as much? Idk, the last couple of seasons have been such a hectic epic rollercoaster that they've had to take it in their stride and soldier on I guess.
3rd-Jun-2011 03:56 pm (UTC)
Can't wait to see your geeky findings btw! ;)

4th-Jun-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
Oh yes... we spent so much time pondering what was going on with Sam and seeing a different Sam... I loved it in hindsight. I think it was very brave, but maybe it could have been a bit shorter so we had more chance to see Sam (and Dean) dealing with post hell Sam. Though we might get more of that next season.

And yep! That song. I'm trying to nut out what angle to take with it. Whether it will be S5 and 6 Sam primarily or all seasons Sam. I think I would like to start with late S6 Sam looking back at everything he's been through.

Ahh.. see. Now I have something. Thanks! :D :D

The drinking is very interesting and they are making more of a thing of it lately. A lot more close ups, even Dean mentioning it numbing the pain. I'd love to see them tackle this issue later on. Or maybe it will just be in the back ground. We take for granted that hunters drink. This is how they cope with it all.

4th-Jun-2011 12:25 am (UTC)
Ha! I so wasn't going to do it. Not with everybodies comments saying it really won't add weight to any arguments. Which I agree with, but curiosity got the better of me and bythedamned was in to it, so yeah. It's happening. :D (two seasons left to do...*g*)

So dealing with the angsty feelings could be happening behind closed doors. Which makes sense because we probably don't need to see all that. We see snippets of their coping mechanisms through the drink..

3rd-Jun-2011 08:48 pm (UTC)
I have to know where this is from.

I'm curious too.

I always enjoy his enthusiasm, though I have to caveat that I enjoy it at a distance. Anyone with those sorts of high highs also has low lows, and I'd rather not be around when the seesaw swings the other way.
4th-Jun-2011 12:28 am (UTC)
Oh how curious... I wonder if he does have extreme lows. He seems like such a happy go lucky kinda guy. Not that I watch a lot of the Js - I find a lot of con footage kinda squiky for some reason - but from what I've seen he seems quite level headed and genuine. Of course you mentioning his lows instantly makes me want to read some J2 fanfic where Jared is going through that... *pets* him. xx

The footage looks like it's from an interview. But I wonder where from? I might have to go an search it out. Wiki might have something.
3rd-Jun-2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
After watching the last two eps, I've come to the conclusion that there actually should have been three eps to cover all of that story. Or at least that's what I'm blaming for the feeling I have of "But, waaaait..." after the finale. It just felt (to me) like there had been too much crammed in right at the end, rather than unwinding smoothly over the last several eps. So I'm blaming their structure rather than their writing, if that makes any sense.

It's not like they haven't done two-part season finales before - if I remember correctly, in season one, Carry On Wayward Son was played at the beginning of Salvation, rather than Devil's Trap. I dunno, I'm rambling. Happy Friday (which for you is now Saturday)!
4th-Jun-2011 12:32 am (UTC)
I've come to the conclusion that there actually should have been three eps to cover all of that story

Yes. I agree. I was reading some meta about this and she was also saying that this is only part of the full story.

It did have a bit of a cliff hanger ending - but they could go anywhere from here. It could even be months later and Cas is off being a "god" somewhere... who knows.

I'd love to see them pick it up directly. I want to see how well Sam is coping... and Dean for that matter. I can't even imagine what they'll do with Cas...

Ack! This damn waiting!

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