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5th-Jan-2012 05:41 am
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When I Google the word "alright" I find that it's not considered acceptable English. The word doesn't sit too well with me when I read it and yet it seems to be acceptable and used a lot. Perhaps if it's used in the context of "it's ok" rather than "everything is right", then it's acceptable?? Is it something a beta should pick up when proof reading?

*head scratch*

And (whilst I'm on word usage)... why do I cringe when I see the word "cum" as opposed to "come"? "Cum" just doesn't look right. Is it? Does it matter? Hmmm... probably not. If the porn is hot enough a word shouldn't matter. But I tend to turn away more often when I see that word used for some reason.

(Yay, seeing Sherlock Holmes today. Hope it's good!)
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4th-Jan-2012 09:56 pm (UTC)
I can tell you I'm not the person to ask. Americans in general speak very lazy English so .... alright is alright with me. :p

Also? Cum is just ... no. I'm like you, it shouldn't matter but it does. I relate it to mouth movement in videos. Just. NO.
4th-Jan-2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
Hmm... so do we Aussies...;)

Yeah - it should matter but.....damn, I'm getting so distracted by you icon.....
4th-Jan-2012 10:09 pm (UTC)
I think "alright" is the UK spelling and "all right" is the American.

As for cum/come-- I prefer come, but I think as a noun it's okay to use cum?
4th-Jan-2012 10:30 pm (UTC)
Oh... that's interesting. I didn't consider that. Hmmm...

And yeah, I suspect it works ok in terms of its usage. I suppose I'm curious about why there are two words for it. well, two spellings. Might be like the alright. Depends where you are from.

4th-Jan-2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
not sure but I think orgininally come was American/ cum was UK/English. Certainly when i was reading/writing porn in the 90s inc reviewing porn vids it was always cum. But I remember havign somethign published int he US and they changed it to come. Come certainly seems to dominate everywhere theses days, although to my mind cum just seems more dirty ;D
4th-Jan-2012 11:18 pm (UTC)
Hee yes... more dirty....maybe that's it...;D
4th-Jan-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
The Chicago Manual of Style dictates that "all right" should be used, rather than "alright". I know other sources disagree, but I also know that CMOS is used by some publishing houses, so when in doubt, I've begun to follow their guidelines.

(I didn't look to see if they had a recommendation of cum vs. come -- LOL!

And while ;D we're on the subject, it totally takes me out of the flow if I read SPN (or American-set J2) fic and see whilst instead of while. It's okay in Harry Potter fic though!
4th-Jan-2012 11:20 pm (UTC)
Thank you! <3

Oooh. Makes me wonder if I used whilst correctly here. I'm pretty useless as this stuff. (Which concerns me greatly as I am pretending to be a fic beta at the moment../o\)

:)
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5th-Jan-2012 05:41 am (UTC)
I actually like to think of it as a contraction of all right. Works for me that way I think.

Hee...from the response I'm getting here cum is the "dirtier" version of come. I prefer come though, I'd prefer the actual porn to give me the dirty. ;)

4th-Jan-2012 11:24 pm (UTC)
When I went to school, lo these many years ago, "all right" was all right. "Alright" wasn't even a word.

I don't like "cum." It reads like a literary affectation to me. Reading the word pulls me out of a story for a nanosecond, too. Weird, I know.
5th-Jan-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
That's probably it. I'm sure I was corrected many times in my schooling.

"Cum" has the same effect on me too. It just seems... wrong, or forced maybe. I have to be really enjoying the fic to continue reading if I see that word used.
5th-Jan-2012 12:29 am (UTC)
My understanding is that "alright" is always wrong, but it seems common in UK fandoms and in stories by UK writers.

Edited at 2012-01-05 12:29 am (UTC)
5th-Jan-2012 05:46 am (UTC)
Ah. The gal I am beta'ing for (poor thing!) is from the UK. Might be why I am noticing it.
5th-Jan-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
Like many of your posts, I'm surprised to find I actually have a really strong opinion about this!

Personally, I'm pro 'alright'. Yes, Americans speak lazy English, but that slowly becomes its own language, even if it's just in the vernacular (case in point: google is now a verb in the Oxford English Dictionary, as of 2006). Especially in a fic setting, where even third person narrators take on the voice of one of the characters, I think it's perfectly acceptable to use, even if you have to make the admission that it's slang in order to use it. Also.... I thought it was a real word until today >.<

As for come... I like that version better, but I actually had a RL conversation about this several years ago with my best friend, and she liked the dirty connotations of cum. I liked that an every day word could have a second, more enjoyable meaning. I think cum is crass and filthy, but I'm willing to go potato/potahto on this one.
5th-Jan-2012 05:52 am (UTC)
Yay for strong opinions!

I'm really glad to read this. I want it to be ok to use and your reasoning here works for me. It a word the narrator uses (in this case Dean) and I think it works fine for him. But I was unsure if it's one of those words like "alot", often spelled incorrectly.

It might just be the crass nature of the word "cum" that I find..um...wrong. Which is completely contradictory, especially if the porn is meant to be crass. Perhaps I'm not so fond of crass porn as I am erotica. Or something. :/

Thanks hun. <3



5th-Jan-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
I remember editing a story with a teacher once in HS. She came across my "alright" and she said "No. It's all right." Ever since I've written it as all right, but I dunno.

English is such a strange language, man! I was (practically born and) raised with it but I will never get over its quirks.
5th-Jan-2012 05:54 am (UTC)
English is SO SO strange. I am no master of it - I really wish I was (especially being a teacher!). I have to say reading fanfic has certainly made me more aware of it. The good and the bad.

xx
5th-Jan-2012 04:54 am (UTC)
Ha ha ha! You're eagle eyes, spotting come again!
5th-Jan-2012 05:01 am (UTC)
Note the contraction error? I meant "your" *blush*
5th-Jan-2012 09:41 am (UTC)
I've been guilty of using 'alright' a couple of times in entries on LJ, but when writing I prefer spelling it as 'all right' - but that's just me. :P

Also every single time I see the word 'cum' in a story, it kind of... detracts from the whole thing, you know? I realise it's snobbish of me but it pulls the whole thing down in my eyes.
5th-Jan-2012 11:19 pm (UTC)
I'm sure I've used alright. I haven't really thought much about it until I decided to check if it was actually a word, only to find out that it really isn't. Though, I think it's becoming accepted as one.

I totally guilty of being a bit of a cum/come snob. I really just don't like it, which is a shame because some fics that I really love have that spelling in it. Though, I've found most peeps I like to read us "come".

:)
5th-Jan-2012 10:11 am (UTC)
When I see "cum" in a story, it makes me feel like I'm on nifty.org, knee deep in cheap porn where nobody cares about "gramer"
5th-Jan-2012 11:20 pm (UTC)
Oooh.... nifty.org eh?

But yeah..... that!
5th-Jan-2012 12:39 pm (UTC)
I find "alright" awkward in reading and it is correct to use "all right" but I'm probably guilty of actually typing it in here often! Same goes for "cum" it's - it's such a nasty little word, which I suppose does have a place in dirty porn, but it's one of those words that I have an aversion to, mostly because it's an ugly word, that has no easy pronunciation in my head.

But in saying that I'm an old fuddy duddy who likes well written English, who still favours the distinctions between the written and spoken language, who still goes totally up the wall when no one seems to differentiate between "bring" and "take" any longer and doesn't care, it makes me want to cry, or sling a dictionary at people. I know language is a living thing, that it evolves, but come on! What's next, no difference between "came" and "went"? Oh, wait, I'm seeing that often too now and if I have to see one more "he was stood/sat in the corner" I think I'll throw something at the computer! And don't even mention the "lay" "lie" thing or I'll be forced to dig up my Dean graphic. What people "say" or however they may speak, is never an acceptable excuse for not writing the narrative correctly, keep your colloquialisms for dialogue.

Um, I'm not reading a lot at the moment, eep, sorry, rant over. Hehe...

Hope you enjoy the film.
5th-Jan-2012 11:29 pm (UTC)
I'm thinking that we are (maybe) seeing the transition from all right to alright. Not always, but certainly when a character thinks something is "ok" I see it. Hmmmm, I'm just not sure whether I should mention it to the writer or not. I'm getting a real mixed bag in the response to this one.

And I'm with you on "cum".

Ha! And I'm glad I'm I don't write. My word usage is pretty bad. I mean, there's plenty that really annoy me (misuse of your and you're for example), but there are times I know I use words incorrectly. I'm a work in progress on that though. I think I'm getting better the more exposure I have.

*hugs* ya.
xx
5th-Jan-2012 02:26 pm (UTC)
*puts on cranky editorial hat*

"Alright" may be used a lot, but just because a lot of people spell it wrong . . . doesn't make it right. And it's certainly not "acceptable," not in my neck of the woods. Hell, "alright" is not even considered a real WORD in my neck of the woods. :/

Is it something a beta should pick up when proof reading?

Yes. At the very least, a beta should know how to spell. ;) Then again, as a beta, I've called people out on that particular usage and they then go and use it anyway, so . . . *shrug*

"Cum" . . . I tend to turn away more often when I see that word used for some reason.

I'm certainly with you there. You're right about a single word not mattering if the porn is hot enough, but to me, "come" is a happy thing while "cum" is a sleazy, skeevy, negative-connotation spelling that tends to throw me right out of the scene. That usage makes me itch.
6th-Jan-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
Ack! See.... this is why I am not (normally) a fic beta! ;) I mean, I knew well enough to check it, but I'm still conflicted about it. Especially with the mixed response here.

I think I will mention to her and she can then choose what to do.

Oh yes..."itch" is the right word.

xx
5th-Jan-2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
I was taught that "alright" is never acceptable, and is not even a word, but when I recently beta'd a fic for a woman who has a PhD and actually teaches high school English, and she used it, well, I had to look it up. Apparently it's one of those things that has slowly become accepted usage. It still bugs me. :D

I can't stand the word "cum," even though logically I think it makes sense to have a word that means "the actual product of an orgasm" as opposed to the act of orgasming itself. I hate to see "cum" used in a fic, but I've also heard people express the exact opposite: they think it should always be spelled "cum." Ugh. I feel dirty for having typed it so much. So there you have it.
6th-Jan-2012 01:42 am (UTC)
Yeah - that was the info I was getting when I looked it up. It's not really a word, but it's becoming acceptable. (But not to everyone it looks like...)

This is why I've been confused about "cum". It does make sense that there is another word but when I see it it often brings me out of the story. I have no issue with "come" whatsoever, so it make more sense that that is used. Hee... so there you have it. :D

xx
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