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3rd-Mar-2012 10:14 pm
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...probably because it's supposed to be an episode reaction. But it's not, because there's ANOTHER GODDAMN HIATUS!! Boo hiss boo!!

So instead, a completely inane and pointless post.

There are things that are said or occur in fanfic regularly enough that it makes me wonder if I actually missed the references in canon. (I have seriously wondered these.... )

1. Did John ever tell his boys to "suck it up"? (or direct reference made to him saying that in the past). Or has Dean ever said that to Sam?

2. Have either of the boys ever run out of hot water while having a shower?

3. Have either of the boys ever called first dibs on the shower? Or said "don't take all the hot water"?

4. Has Dean ever called Sam "Samantha"? Or Princess? (I know Dean's called Sam "Francis" but the others...?)

5. Have we ever seen their first aid kit?

6. Have they ever kissed which has led to amazing sex? yeah...ignore that...

ETA (another one I thought of) Has Dean ever complained about Sam's long hair?

See? Completely inane. (It's been a looooooooong day. Without my show to pick me up. That's my excuse anyway...)

Carry on.
Comments 
3rd-Mar-2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
I wish I could answer these questions, but - the last one... uh... my head!canon says yes. *amused*
4th-Mar-2012 06:18 am (UTC)
Hee... ah yes. My head!canon has all sorts of things that are true!

xx
3rd-Mar-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
I LOST MY COMMENT. GRRR.

Shower things--not in canon, since we've only seen evidence of four showers in canon that I can think of (Bugs, Hell House, Mystery Spot, Lazarus Rising), but it's a reasonable extrapolation.

Frances. FrancES. Once. Right after Sam used the ID of a cop named Frances. Does nobody watch the DVD extras?

First aid--Sam sewed himself up in Mystery Spot and Last Summer, does that count?
4th-Mar-2012 06:26 am (UTC)
Grrrr... lost comment....

I did watch the DVD extra and knew that was why Dean called Sam Frances (ooh, I wrote Francis didn't I?), but that was the only time I could recall Dean calling Sam something like a girl's name. (Even though it actually wasn't). From an answer below it looks like Dean's been referred to as "princess" twice and Sam once.

And for the time being those two (far too rare moments) of Sam stitching himself up will have to count. I always imagine their first aid kit could have to be HUGE!
3rd-Mar-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
You do understand why there's a hiatus every March?

They don't want to compete with the March Madness Basketball games. They always found it was a losing effort.
4th-Mar-2012 06:27 am (UTC)
AH!! Thank you. I had no idea. I've seen "March Madness" referred to around the place but had no idea it was related to that.

:)
3rd-Mar-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
To me, most of those are fanfic tropes. And in my personal option, some of those tropes are fairly annoying. They might have been really clever the first time they were used, but now have morphed into tokenism, as a short-cut to ACTUALLY bringing the characters to live.
4th-Mar-2012 06:32 am (UTC)
That was my feeling. Though a couple of those I really thought I might have missed (like John saying "suck it up").

I find it interesting that those fanfic tropes have been adopted by so many writers. The shower one is particularly popular. I suppose it makes sense, (though I wouldn't have thought hot water would have been an issue in motels) to try and create a real environment for the characters.

xx
3rd-Mar-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
I have no idea on any of those. There probably needs to be a community like storyfinders or whatwasthatbook to ask the occasional question like this. It's funny how some things in fics show up in so many stories that I've unintentionally turned them into canon in my head.
4th-Mar-2012 06:34 am (UTC)
See... that's the thing. I think I've read some of that stuff so many times I'm confused what's canon and what's not (though that's probably more to do with my age /o\).

xx
3rd-Mar-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
I wish I had your gift with attention to detail. I think I just get all swoony every time Sam comes on the screen and my attention about anything else goes out the window!

I'm glad I saw your post cos I was actually panicking that there was an ep last night and I'd missed it, cos on superwiki it says the next ep is ep 17, on 17 March I think, but I've only seen to ep 15, repo man. I think I heard ep 16 was going to be on 10th march, but now superwiki is saying next ep (17)is on 17th March.... I think. If that makes any sense at all....

just ignore me, I'm getting withdrawals from spn and need a fix, so might just go watch season one again!

woot!

boggie
4th-Mar-2012 06:36 am (UTC)
Hee... in this case it was just boredom. Or the need to talk about the show because I'm missing it. :))

Yeah, I don't think it's back until the 17th. It was earlier, but then they moved it later. BOO!

Oh and I get the withdrawal thing.

xx
3rd-Mar-2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the answer to all of those questions is no.

I'm also always annoyed about the "using all the hot water" thing. I've stayed in some pretty crappy motels, but I've NEVER been in one that ran out of hot water. And that's when our whole family has been snow skiing all day and we're standing under the spray trying to warm up. Just doesn't happen.

I think most of these fanfic tropes were originally just extrapolations from what we've seen. It's just simple logic, and since we're all watching the same show, we tend to draw the same conclusions. Ex. John telling the boys to suck it up--we know he took them hunting and "raised them like warriors," and John himself referred to himself as their "drill sergeant." Or Dean calling Sam "Francis" (although if you watch the deleted scenes on the DVD, that was the name on Sam's fake ID, not just a reference to Sam's penchant for fancy coffee). I don't think we've ever seen their first aid kit, and in fact I'm pretty sure the first time we ever saw them suturing a wound was in Mystery Spot, but I know I read (and wrote) fanfic where they stitched up each other (and John) long before that aired.

I think the early fic writers expanded on these, and then the imitators came along and made it commonplace.

I think we think too much about this stuff. :D
4th-Mar-2012 06:44 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the answer to all of those questions is no.

Yeah, I thought as much. But after reading some of this stuff so many times I felt sure I'd missed some of them.


The hot water one is always curious to me. I've always thought motels and hotels had an endless supply of hot water. Unless each room has it's own (little) hot water tank.

I imagined they were just extrapolations. I'm curious how some of it has become SO commonplace in fanfic that it almost becomes comfortable. Boys return from a hunt and one takes all the hot water... Another one I just thought of was Dean complaining about the length of Sam's hair. I can't recall if Dean has ever mentioned the length of Sam's hair.

I think we think too much about this stuff.

HA!! I know I do! Especially when I want an ep on my telly. :DD

Thanks hun.
xx

(Oh, and I just finished listening to Hail Mary. LOVED it!! The reading is PERFECT! <33)

3rd-Mar-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
I don't think Dean has called Sam 'princess' (or Samantha), but a bar tender once did and Dean has been called 'princess' twice, not sure why Sam gets the tag more often in fic. As for the others, mostly fanon I'm pretty sure, the only other thing would be Dean commenting on 'cold showers' in that season 7 episode with the weird sandwiches and the semi-functioning bathroom in the squat house for Time after Time.

Edited to add - Dean does actually say "Get in the car, princess" but he's talking to Kali and not Sam - or at least I think he is...

Edited at 2012-03-03 10:28 pm (UTC)
4th-Mar-2012 06:46 am (UTC)
Ah... so they have been called "princess", but not by each other. Cool. I was sure I'd heard the term, but wasn't sure if it was from them or not.

And yeah... I suspected that a lot of it is fanon. I don't actually mind it, it's just curious to me how many write about it.

<33
4th-Mar-2012 12:09 am (UTC)
Don't hold back about how you really feel about hiatus.
4th-Mar-2012 06:47 am (UTC)
Hee....

They are my most favourite thing in the world. Can't you tell?

xx
4th-Mar-2012 07:20 am (UTC)
This has been an exhausting week for me and it would've been nice to be able to watch a new ep for a pick-up... I'll have to think of something else now to re-energise myself. Such a bummer. :/

And to your questions: I have no idea. LOL

Nice rainbow-farting-unicorn icon though... ;)

xx
4th-Mar-2012 10:01 am (UTC)
I know! Such a bummer.... (it really does serve as a pick me up doesn't it?!)

Hee... I love that icon. You know, when I was naming it (in my user pics) I meant to type "unicorn rainbow "... instead I typed "unicorn rainbutt". Um...hee.. makes sense so I kept it. Makes me smile when I post it. :))

4th-Mar-2012 09:31 am (UTC)
It feels like an eternity and we are only halfway through!

I spent part of the day reviewing the transcripts for other reasons, so I checked on your questions while I was at it.

1. No. "Suck it up" is said by Madison in Heart, Ruby in No Rest for the Wicked, the Trickster in Changing Channels and Tessa in Appointment in Samarra, but that's all.

2. No.

3. No. In Defending Your Life, Dean suggests that Sam take the first shower.

4. No. As someone's already noted above, Dean gets called Princess twice, by Jo in No Exit and by Bobby in Lucifer Rising, and Sam gets called Princess by a bartender in Sin City.

5. Don't think so.

6. That's coming up in a future episode... I hope...

7. Don't think so.

Edited at 2012-03-04 09:31 am (UTC)
4th-Mar-2012 10:03 am (UTC)
1. No. "Suck it up" is said by Madison in Heart, Ruby in No Rest for the Wicked, the Trickster in Changing Channels and Tessa in Appointment in Samarra, but that's all.

Oh wow! I love this. Thank you. <33

3. Oh yay... at least there is some reference to shower taking.

6. = hee... wishful thinking...

Thanks so much for this. <33

I have a little something I need to check with you...I'll pm.
xx
4th-Mar-2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
2 weeks! We can do it!!

It fascinates me how fanfic and canon and perceptions of characters work. There are indeed some incredible works and I am in awe of anyone who can write. I love that fic can fill in the gaps, or create histories or give us fix-its. I am also intrigued that certain tropes exist in fic that seem well accepted (like the ones I mentioned above).

But.. yes. I suspect writers can sometimes get so caught up in how they think the characters should be that they don't accept how they are actually presented on the show. Which is why fans become somewhat disillusioned in the show maybe (I can only speculate of course..).

Ooh.. you are the second person to mention the spellchecker. Maybe LJ is playing up...

xx
5th-Mar-2012 02:22 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I've seen number 6. That is definitely canon bleeding into fanfic :) I'm not sure about the rest though. How very odd that though it might not be there, it might be implied to the point where we automatically assume. Makes me want to do a rewatch.
5th-Mar-2012 11:15 am (UTC)
Oh man... number 6. That would be something wouldn't it? ;)

How very odd that though it might not be there, it might be implied to the point where we automatically assume.

Yes. I find that curious also. I think I've read something so many times that I assume it to be true. Or something we've seen on the show.

:)
5th-Mar-2012 02:34 am (UTC)
I know I used the shower one (Sam telling Dean/Cas not to use all the hot water) in one of my very few fics. It does seem odd we haven't seen it in canon though...we know the guys like their showers..
5th-Mar-2012 11:17 am (UTC)
I would LOVE to see it in canon. It would be so cool because it would feel so right after reading it.

:)
6th-Mar-2012 01:34 am (UTC)
I've always wondered about the hot water issue. I've stayed in cheap hotels over the years and hot water has never been a problem. I always wonder why no one discusses water pressure instead.
8th-Mar-2012 09:37 am (UTC)
Ah yes.. not water pressure would indeed be an issue! Maybe we'll start seeing that mentioned instead of them running out one day..

xx
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