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25th-May-2012 11:11 pm
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A mess of recs.

galwithglasses has posted an awesome examination of the visual text in 7.23

The things I love:

* The painting in Dick's office is reminiscent of Purgatory. It's also a wonderful juxtaposition with his bright, clinical office. Look at those lamps!! Considering that Dean ends up in that dark place and Sam in that sterile one it's perfect placement. (I can just picture Dean lost in that painting with Sam lost on the outside of it...)

(cap from homeofthenutty, colouring by me)

* Rocks and stones everywhere. Not only did 7.23 have shots of rugged stones (check out the post to see them all) but you'd have noticed the motels featured a lot of rock walls this season as well. Still not entirely sure what they were saying with that but it's cool that it became a regular feature.

* Colours (and flowers!) Oh those flowers. I think I have found my new obsession.

* Food meta. Go read. It's very cool.

* Mastermind! Remember that game? (those of you old enough...) I didn't notice that it appeared next to the game UNO that Cas was playing. I have a greater appreciation for the use of the games in the last two episodes (see rec below) so I love that that was there. It makes me wonder does Cas think he's a lone mastermind here? Or is it Show's comment about him being one?

missyjack presents an excellent case for S8 inspiration. I'm not up with Greek mythology (alas) but it would be an exciting concept if Show is thinking like this. I desperately want them to have a solid overarching theme.

There seems to be an overarching stylistic theme each season. S7 was "Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid" and "B-Movies". To some extent I think they achieved the B-Movie quality - particularly with Dick as the Big Bad. I didn't end up getting the Butch and Sundance feel as much though. They talked about stripping everything away from the boys, which they did, but then they found other allies, cars, accommodation and weapons etc. so I never really got the feel that they only had each other (which, yeah.. I was kinda hoping for that).

I actually really loved S7. There were many great episodes and even though there were some weak spots and we lost a bit of the bromance toward the end I thought it was pretty solid and entertaining. I also really (really!) think that we needed a bit of angst downtime for a bit, ONLY so it can be brought on again (*evil grin*). I'm pretty sure the producers knew they were getting another season so I firmly believe (and hope) this was about rebuilding Sam and Dean's relationship to the point that it can be tested again. It wasn't all hugs and gushing love, but rather a comfortable presence with each other. A partnership that transcended the need to keep telling each other how much they adore love and need each other.

I also really loved Show's commentary on the world today. It seemed to jar against the whole "spooky" element that SPN had going on but to me the nature of large corporations "taking over the world" and seeing us as fodder is scarier than anything that might go bump in the night. I thought it was a pretty brave move on their part. That's not to say I'm not ready for a change. I'm hoping S8 delves into the scary depths of Purgatory and Sam's fight to save Dean.

I know there were many fans dissatisfied with the S7 finale (*yikes* to the point of sending a petition to TPTB!) but I think the end was all about setting up major bro angst in S8. BRING IT!!

killabeez's 7.23 morning after post was very enlightening to me. Mostly about Cas and his state of mind and the games.

We agreed that we want to like Cas because he is with us and will probably be for a while to come. To actually "get" him and understand just how he works in all of this is somewhat important to me. I can't say I actually care about him that much, but I do think what they've done with his character is pretty darn clever. And it makes sense (at last!!) The child like state was significant and not just for laughs or a passing quirk.

And whilst I'm here...

deirdre_c has written a very clever story meshing the film Tron Legacy and Supernatural canon. There’s a voice in my head that drives my heel. The story is wonderful and seeing how she works the SPN stuff into it is a sheer delight. <33

That's some stuff that has been occupying my brain recently. :)
25th-May-2012 03:42 pm (UTC)
I actually hope they don't spend any time in Purgatory at all. Where is the fun when the boys seperated? It is their dyanmic together that makes the show so enjoyable to me, particulary in times when the episode itself is not at all compelling due to lackluster writing.

I would be more interested in watching Purgatory if both Winchesters were there - I think THAT could have led to some interesting development. But not with things so one-sided. Dean didn't even ask Cas where Sam was or look for him... I would have thought he'd have yelled for his brother once before exiting the area. To me it is a rehash of Dean going to hell all over again with Dean in this horrible place while Sam is desperately trying to find a way to get him out. That has been done, IMO.

I am not interested in watching Dean and Css bond further.

I want to see the bothers worried and looking out for each other and yes, Sam is going to be very terrified and worried about Dean, and desperate to get him back, but will Dean be worried about Sam? Most likely but not that we will get to see (even the few fics I've seen so far don't have Dean one bit concerned about his brother or wondering what happened to Sam - it is all about Dean and Cas).

I am going to watch the first episode but if the brothers aren't back together by the end of it, I am done. If that makes me a bad fan, than so be it because I've stuck with the show for seven years but when I can no longer enjoy watching the boys together, then the purpose for me is gone. That is why I hated the soul-less Sam episodes - that wasn't really Sam and there was no feeling between them.

I have never enjoyed any of their episodes apart and I don't intend to watch more than one.

As for Cas - I will never like a supporting character that is so one sided in his preference or who is used as a replacement for Sam. For me the show is about the Winchesters and their connection. And the writers constantly playing up Cas and Dean's special relationship? It does nothing to make me like him any more.

I hope he sacrifices himself to get Dean out of Purgatory. THAT I would really love.

Edited at 2012-05-25 03:44 pm (UTC)
26th-May-2012 12:52 am (UTC)
Hey there,

Yeah...I hear ya and in part agree with much of this but..(if you bear with me..;D) this is the way I'm looking at it at the moment.

I most definitely enjoy watching the boys when they are together- there is no doubt about that but if say I compared Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a good, solid entertaining ep with the boys working really well together) and Time After Time for me there's a much stronger bromance feel in TaT even though they spent the entire episode apart. The way they communicated through time and Sam's major concern hit all my bromance buttons. So I don't mind them being apart for a little while (2 eps maybe) if it serves to highlight their bond and brotherhood. And if we get a major reunion (HUG!) scene after it. I really found soulless!Sam very hard going (can't rewatch any of those eps) but I loved the idea because it gave Sam's sacrifice so much weight and we got that epic reunion hug we it was returned.

I'm with you though - if it ends up being a way for Cas and Dean to further their bond I won't be impressed at all. The fact that Cas disappeared gives me hope that they will be doing something more interesting (as in keeping Dean alone) with Purgatory.

Even though I see myself as a Sam!gal I would love to see them do something really interesting for Dean in Purgatory. Particularly if he can meet up with past monsters - ones he may have put there himself. I'm not sure how they could sustain that for more that one or two episodes so I don't think they'll keep the boys apart for too long.

I would LOVE for Sam to find his way into Purgatory though - so we can have them both in there for a bit. I really hope Sam is the one to free Dean (and not Cas). At least it then makes this something different to Dean in Hell and something Sam wasn't able to do previously.

For me also (sorry...seems I having thoughts on this /o\) the very fact that it's similar to the Dean in Hell and Sam on Earth scenario from end of S3 is exciting in that the boys are different men now - especially Sam. I am curious to see how Sam will respond and how it could be different to last time. I'd still like to see the desperation but without Ruby leading him on he should react differently. Plus he also has all the other Leviathans to worry about.

I've heard a few people say the first episode and how they resolve the Purgatory story line will determine whether they will keep watching. I can't imagine much turning me away (boys separated for half a season maybe...) so I'm hoping there will be some exciting stuff that everyone can enjoy.

Sorry to blather. I definitely hope they are together throughout the whole season (save maybe a couple of opening episodes where they are desperate to get back to each other). Oh...and the first thing out of Dean's mouth the next time we see him is...SAAAAAAMMM?????

25th-May-2012 05:17 pm (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out killa's post. I really enjoyed it. And I'm off to see if I can make heads or tails of the Tron fic, since all I know about Tron is that it was an early conception of VR.

You make a good point about season 7: it was pretty entertaining, even if I have issues with the overarching theme and structure. There were still a lot of eps I really enjoyed, and I can't remember the last time a show made me wibble the way the end of Death's Door did.
26th-May-2012 11:35 am (UTC)
Yeah - I think Killa made some great points. this post is also good too. Especially the chat..;)

I've seen the Tron Legacy so I'm not sure how it will translate to someone who hasn't. I think it will still be understandable. I found the film a bit convoluted but Dei's fic is more straight forward. It's just so damn clever....

I cried twice during the season - during both of Bobby's death scenes. I can't believe I teared up the second time, but it was so sad...

There were some truly great episodes and great moments in S7. Hope we have even more during S8! :DD
25th-May-2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
Comment on Dick's office- In cinema, that color blue intimates that whatever effort one makes, it will be ineffective. If his office had been orange (irrationality) or red (war/sex/life), or even yellow-green (poisonous), I would have been really worried. Instead, it was the color of Dorothy's pinafore in Wizard of Oz. *relief* Also, the b/w contrasts signify that there's no middle ground for the leviathans. (or whoever--in this case, the bad guys)

Thanks for the recs. I've been sifting through LJ, trying to find post-7x23 stories with a little bit of hope. :)
26th-May-2012 11:51 am (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for the info on the colour. I never thought of the colour blue as being ineffectual. I like that and will probably be on the lookout for it from now on. I mostly saw cold and clinical - lacking emotion, particularly in relation to how they view humans.

Hmm... there was a lot of orange surrounding Charlie if I remember. Especially in her apartment.

I am most definitely on the lookout for positive, hope filled 7.23 posts and stories. ;))
25th-May-2012 06:27 pm (UTC)
I think the "lamps" in Dick's office are those brought in by the TV crew for the purpose of the interview.

Love these observations about the office!

And this... "I also really loved Show's commentary on the world today. It seemed to jar against the whole "spooky" element that SPN had going on but to me the nature of large corporations "taking over the world" and seeing us as fodder is scarier than anything that might go bump in the night. I thought it was a pretty brave move on their part. That's not to say I'm not ready for a change. I'm hoping S8 delves into the scary depths of Purgatory and Sam's fight to save Dean."

Don't even get me started on the corporations and the food additive stuff. I just sent off a PM to several of my friends about the American food industry and additives which is a BIG button for me right now for many personal reasons. And that email had nothing to do with SPN and most of the folks on the list I sent it to are not SPN viewers. It's ironic for me personally, that high fructose corn syrup and other food additives would be the tool of the end game of the Leviathans.

I was one of those somewhat underwhelmed by the S7 finale which also colored my overall S7 feelings. However, the more I ponder, think, and read on this season, the more I'm coming to really appreciate many aspects of the story. Including the finale and how it ended. I'm more and more looking forward to what happens in purgatory (and I hope our wonderful fandom has not, yet again, out thought the writers. I really like what I'm seeing being speculated in fandom about this.)

And I really like Dick (I mean in terms of liking to dislike, etc. I found him chilling.)

26th-May-2012 12:07 pm (UTC)
Oh yes yes.. of course they were. I had this insane thought of Dick having them there as a way on intimating people... ;)

The world of food additives and GM foods is a mine field and I love that Show highlighted that in a small way. Also comment on processed food v fresh food. Clever...

I was one of those somewhat underwhelmed by the S7 finale which also colored my overall S7 feelings.

I think this was the case for many actually. As a finale it was slightly underwhelming (in terms of the level of bro angst etc.) and it's probably easy to then say, well...the whole season was flat. But looking back there really are some great eps - Slash Fiction (for me) possibly one of the best ever and Hello Cruel World (stone number one \o/), Death's Door, Dragon Tattoo, Repo Man...

There have been some really interesting things written about the episode and even more interesting speculations for S8. And yeah... let's hope fans haven't trumped the writers. ;D


25th-May-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
That cap is awesome in light of how it all wound up. It looks like a window into Purgatory and your comment about how it reflects where the boys ended up is awesome.

I couldn't come up with a reason for Mastermind being there with Cas specifically but I'm sure there's a reason. In the end, it felt like Crowley masterminded the whole thing. The Uno is cool in light of the fact that Cas seems to be the only angel left. I'm going to have to go read the Cas post.
26th-May-2012 12:16 pm (UTC)
Yes - a window. That's indeed the way it looks. It's great looking back on things they did to signify what was coming up.

I don't think I mentioned how much I loved your observation re the wave of water behind Sam in one of the shots. Their choice of paintings is always curious. It's great to try an deconstruct their reasons for certain choices.

Mastermind is such a great choice of game. I didn't think about it maybe signaling Crowley as masterminding Dick's downfall.

The thing I love about Killa's observations on Cas is his return to childhood and his deliberate avoidance of responsibility. Something she said to me in a comment really struck a cord. It made me feel better about their choice to have him the way he was.

26th-May-2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
I think Killa's got it as far as Cas. I felt better about how they'd written Cas this last episode. I don't think Cas is as messed up as he appears. When he said his comments about how he would break everything again, it all made a lot more sense that in some ways he's hiding from both what he did and also what he might do. For a character whose entire life was based on following orders, in some ways even though he has grown up abilities, he's really still a child in terms of how long he's been dealing with decision making and taking responsibility.

With the art, I was thinking this morning about it and it dawned on me that the picture with the hidden rabbits are white rabbits. Dean and Cas went down the rabbit hole just as sure as Alice. I always thought Alice in Wonderland was the creepiest story.
27th-May-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
Ooh yes... good call on the rabbits. Oh show! Being clever and subtle..;)
25th-May-2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
The more meta I read, the more I feel satisfied with S7 and the finale. I still feel the lack of enough brotherly love to warm my SamDean loving heart, but they were definitely back to being easy with each other, trusting each other and depending on each other. I just love the more overt (touchy-feely maybe) moments...but then, there was that slinky gift, wasn't there?

I liked the purgatory idea, but as much as I've tried to love Cas as a character, the risk of him getting in the way of SamDean often overwhelms my efforts. I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Also, great cap and fascinating observations. It's that kind of stuff that keeps me loving Show through any other frustrations :)
26th-May-2012 12:26 pm (UTC)
It was tough not having as many brotherly moments toward the end (I especially wanted to see more when Sam was in hospital) and I agree it's better when they are more overt. :)

but as much as I've tried to love Cas as a character, the risk of him getting in the way of SamDean often overwhelms my efforts. I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Exactly the same! I desperately want to just like him for who he is but I am often nervous that the makers what to give us all the CasnDean stuff, which detracts from the Sam n Dean stuff. Not that Cas has ever meant that they would have to pick him over each other, but it's always a little worrying. I just want to trust Show. I don't mind the Team Free Will stuff - when all three are working together. It's a shame they seem to make Cas eps heavy Cas n Dean eps rather than them as a team. (ooh...blabbed about that../o\)

Glad you liked the cap! Show can be pretty cool in the design area. I rather love that about it. ;DD

Here's to a great S8!
26th-May-2012 05:44 am (UTC)
I'm actually okay with the boys being separated for an episode or two - as long as we get lots of angsty, frantic Sam, Dean in peril, and then a rather touchy-feely rescue scene.

Like others here, what will get in the way of my enjoyment of that, will be attempts by the writers and PTB to make this more the Dean-Castiel show. Nuh-uh. I've been patient and I have enjoyed Castiel's role on the show. But his loopiness is not endearing itself to me anymore, and Misha's antics and comments at cons are starting to grate terribly.

It doesn't matter if it's wincest or gen, the core of this show is the SamnDean relationship and how Jared and Jensen have always expressed it. If they mess with that, S8 will absolutely be the last.

On a lighter note, that's a fabulous screen capture of Dick's office!

Edited at 2012-05-26 05:45 am (UTC)
26th-May-2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
*nods* and *nods*

I can totally bear a couple of eps apart if we get some really interesting and great stuff. I want to Sam being smart and together - with a smoldering desperation and loneliness and Dean to be faces some perils and maybe some things about himself. And then a heart felt reunion. Though...after that I'm really stuck thinking what they could do. I always love MoTW stories but I suspect they will want a Big Bad also. And I really hope we get to see Lucifer again.

Cas's loopiness confused me mostly - in terms of what on earth was going on and what significance it had - until Killa made some points that helped me feel better about it. I mostly like Cas when there's a real sense of his angel-ness. Whether he be badass or all knowing. I don't know...he mostly confuses (and sometimes worries) me. But I will withhold judgement until next season to see what their plans are for him.

It's interesting that the petition I mention above is from SPN's "silent majority" - those who want to remind the producers that the heart of the show is their relationship and it's what fans want to keep seeing. I know Cas/Misha fans were very vocal about wanting him to return and probably played a large part in his return (maybe?). So I can get fans wanting to do this as well. Personally I don't think it will be an issue. Show has always been about them and their relationship so I see no reason why that would change.

*fingers crossed*

27th-May-2012 10:04 am (UTC)
Wow, great catch with the painting in Dick's office! That has to have been intentional. Sometimes I forget how much thought gets poured into those things... <3

And thanks for the meta res!
27th-May-2012 11:27 am (UTC)
I am sure it's deliberate (well, I hope it is!) In an office like that it could have easily been some piece of abstract art, instead it's a very gloomy landscape (*meep* Dean...)

Kudos to [Bad username: galwithglasses&quot;] for the pick up. Man, she has an eye for detail...

28th-May-2012 09:05 pm (UTC)
Awww, yay! Thank you so much for the rec, darlin'! *floats up to the ceiling*
28th-May-2012 10:55 pm (UTC)
You're welcome honey. I loved it. <333

(you're away at the moment yeah?)
28th-May-2012 11:07 pm (UTC)
Just got home!! Do you need me? *at the ready*
28th-May-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
really? That'd be cool. I'll PM ya.;)

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