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10th-Jun-2012 11:10 am
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I was thinking about SPN (as I do), mulling over the "maybe spoiler" that was quoted from Bob Singer and had a thought that might actually work at the beginning of S8. Cliched of course but, hey...



I haven't read any speculation posts yet so apologies if this has already been tossed about. This is just me thinking out loud. Not exactly a "hope" for S8 but rather a possibility.

So, Bob Singer says " The brothers are reunited on screen quickly, but much time will have passed." (source)

I know there are some who want the boys to spend some time apart before they are reunited and others who want them together again straight away. If we can take this quote as true then looks like we are getting them back together straight away.

I admit to be one that was disappointed about this because some time apart would be interesting (at least a couple of eps maybe). HOWEVER... I'm thinking now that we could have both - them being immediately together...and yet not.

One word - amnesia.

Now...before the cry of "cliched", "worn out trophe" fills the space I'm thinking that it might be rather interesting if Sam saves Dean from Purgatory (that's a given, 'cause Sam HAS to save Dean), but Dean returns "new". As in, he remembers how to hunt but he doesn't remember Sam, or his life at all.

At the beginning of S6 Sam returned "different". Jared had the opportunity to explore another side of Sam. It was hard to watch but also fascinating. The dynamic between the brothers was tested.

I mentioned on my 7.23 ep reaction post that I'd love to see Dean returned altered in some way (toying with evil!Dean maybe..) so for him to come back with no memory of who he is would not only given Jensen some interesting material to work with (yes, I do think of the actors!), but it would also be another way of exploring the brother's dynamic.

Dean would still know how to hunt (instinct) so they could still stick to their MotW formula, but he would question stuff and Sam would have to fill in the gaps. Dean would have to completely trust Sam. Sam would be without his normal "big brother" and might have to remind Dean of stuff he did. We might even see Dean "instinctively" being protective of Sam (and Sam would be all wooby because he thought he'd lost that side of Dean). Sam would realise just how much having someone "watch your back" means to him. Also, it might be Sam's "fault" that Dean comes back the way he is. If he had to perform some ritual to get him back there might have been part of it that means the soul and person comes back "clean". Sam would rather have Dean back like that than not at all. (so Sam would have to emotionally deal with that decision maybe). And yes..it would mirror what Sam and Dean have already been through with Sam's lack of soul. I'd be ok with that.

Dean might even decide he doesn't want to hunt and leave, but realise there's an emptiness when he leaves Sam and the life.(awwwwww)

(CAN YOU TELL I'VE THOUGHT WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS!?!)

Over time Dean would regain some memories - including his time in Hell - and have to face the fall out of that all over again. Sam would be having to deal with his own trauma of hell and losing Dean initially (Bob says some time has passed) and now having to deal with a brother who doesn't remember him.

Too much? Too cliched? Too predictable? I think it has some potential. Would they do that? They might. Dean going to Purgatory has to MEAN something. It has to change something - have an impact on their story lines. For him to return and just carry on would be a complete waste of story potential. We've already had post-hell Dean, and drinking!Dean. I'd love to see them take him in a new direction (something we haven't seen before) and this is one way I can see it going down.

(I haven't factored how Cas fits in or where they could take his story line, but I'm sure it would fit in there somewhere - but Cas can't give memories back...just saying. As for Crowley - with Dean "different" it might mean Crowley leaves them alone for a bit (they're not a threat) and ...well, idk... stuff happens later or something. Depends who the Big Bad is next season I suppose...).

In terms of hugs... we get two!! One when Sam rescues Dean and one when Dean finally regains all his memories - Sam probably has to hug Dean because remembering ALL THAT the man would need a hug.

Aaannnnyway, that's my thinky for the day....
Comments 
10th-Jun-2012 03:13 am (UTC)
I would love this- it's actually an idea I toyed around with for a bit but I didn't ever say anything because I didn't think it would ever happen!
10th-Jun-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
I think it could play out quiet interestingly... not sure they'd take this route though but if they do I could ...*fist pump*

:)
10th-Jun-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
I will admit, I don't like that at all. I can honestly say I wouldn't watch it. I didn't like the robo-Sam episodes either because that was not really Sam so, for me, it was a waste of time and episodes. In both those situations, there is only one sided feelings of brotherhood. It would be incredibly heartbreaking and totally not something I would be interested in.

Just like robo-Sam, there really could be no good brother moment when Dean is not Dean. He has been too unDean-like since hell, IMO.

Coupled with the fact that I would HATE to see the writers using that to put a bond between Dean and Cas ahead of Sam and Dean (Dean would trust cas while Sam was made to work for it), just to hurt Sam... and we know the writers would do that. They smack us in the face with Dean and Cas's 'bond' as is.

Personally, I am hoping Dean's time in Purgatory is to reawaken that hard-ass hunter in him that has been softened after his time with Lisa. And for him to re-appreciate all the gifts he does have. His brother, his car, life itself. As for Sam? There is no point in making him do this again that I can see. We know how much he loves and needs Dean but we also know Sam can do this on his own so I have no idea why they could be putting Sam through this.

Interesting idea though :) and I am glad they are not going to be separated for multiple episodes.
10th-Jun-2012 04:09 am (UTC)
Ha! you known when I was typing this I was thinking of you and knew it wouldn't be something you'd like. Though I figured you might be happy with them being reunited straight away.

Hmmm... I think for me that I like when there's something going on between them. I mean, I didn't like soulless!sam (though I loved the idea of it). That's not to say it has to be awful between them. I wouldn't want that at all... just different. A different way of looking at their relationship.

I wouldn't necessarily think there couldn't be brother moments between them. In fact, in my thinking, it would spurn a heap of brother moments. Times when Dean would remember something he'd done with Sam in the past, Sam reminding him of stuff they've done together etc. I wouldn't necessarily see amnesic!Dean as a nasty Dean, or even cold. He'd probably be frustrated, even angry maybe but I wouldn't see that there'd be distance between them necessarily.

If he loses his memory of Sam then he would also lose his memory of Cas. There would be no reason why Dean would trust Cas any more than Sam. In fact, being an angel may in fact make Cas less trust worthy (especially if he starts to remember what Cas did to Sam). I would say Cas would have to be the one to work for the trust.

The only reason I have posed this is because if Dean comes back hardly changed at all (even if he is all bad-ass - which, see, I haven't seen him actually lose that completely) then everything is much the same and there's no new challenge or focus. The boys continue on as before. Which, I know would please some, but I think some intrigue is always interesting.

Also, there's no reason Dean can't rediscover his "bad assness" as his memory returns. OR... he's just so friggin' badass because that's in his nature. When he's hunting he slips into gear - he won't have all the baggage he's been carrying around with him.

Buuut... it's just a thought. I actually have no real "hopes" for S8 other than they continue to deliver some good stories, with lots of peril and some awesome brotherly moments. <3
10th-Jun-2012 03:27 am (UTC)
tee hee - plus Sam would have to do the hugging both times? I would love to see a hug initiated by Dean this time! The last one was a Sam hugging Dean one when Sam got his soul back - Dean was too shocked at first.
10th-Jun-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
Umm... let's see. Ok..no, let's have Sam hug Dean when he first returns and then Dean hugs Sam because he finally remember who he is...;D

(to be honest I' be happy with ANY hugs... we haven't had one for SO long).
10th-Jun-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
I could buy Amnesiac Dean before I could buy Evil Dean. Dean has a core of goodness in him that took Hell 30 years to break into, so I don't think Purgatory can touch him in that way. OTOH, if they do go the amnesiac route, I think it'd be cool if he were *totally* amnesiac or maybe amnesiac with a hunter's "muscle memory." I can't bear the thought that Sam would save Dean and Dean would prefer Castiel to Sam simply because of familiarity. That plot point with Meg and Castiel has rubbed me *raw*, I tell you.
10th-Jun-2012 04:18 am (UTC)
Yeah - I'm not keen on evil!Dean myself. Initially I was thinking just something "different" and that came to mind, but now different could be Dean with no memory (but yes, muscle memory for hunting...).

Ack.. I didn't consider that Dean would remember Cas. My thinking is that he wouldn't remember anyone - including Cas. And no... definitely no preferring Cas over Sam. I think there might just be a fandom meltdown if that happened (not for everyone I suppose). Cas would have to ...um .... Idk, I haven't figured out that bit. I suppose it depends where Cas has gone (or been taken)...
10th-Jun-2012 04:30 am (UTC)
I like! Amnesia sounds like an idea worth tossing around in the writers' room. They need something new, and let's face it, we fans *love* our tropes. Since genderswap and de-aging is probably out, this could be really well explored and like you say, be an interesting challenge for Jensen.

You keep thinking, Butch. that's what you're good at...*g*
10th-Jun-2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
Hee! My brain sometimes...

It would be great if they did try something "new" - whether this or something else.I'd love to see them come up with something that surprises us.
10th-Jun-2012 04:38 am (UTC)
Hahaha and there u have it folks season 8 ;)
Oddly enough i want to see them apart and then Back together but then have things be diff and then find thier way back.
Omg I totally want Jensen to do something diff so ifs amnesia so be it!!! I'm so excited for comic con when we finally get some answers!!! I totally mull over spn too ;)
10th-Jun-2012 01:40 pm (UTC)
Ha!

I also wanted to see what would happen if they were apart for a bit but the more I think about it the less I think they'll actually give us Purgatory - mostly because of their budget. Having monster chase Dean might be hard to show - whereas having him return and then slowly remember his time there might be doable.

We shall see. In the meantime we are left with mulling over it...
xo
10th-Jun-2012 05:23 am (UTC)
I wish to subscribe to your newsletter! Wonderful idea and I like how in a way it mirrors S6. Love your thinky thoughts m'dear!
10th-Jun-2012 01:42 pm (UTC)
Hee! I often think if I put as much time thinking about my lesson plans as I do about Show I'd win Teacher of the Year. :DD
10th-Jun-2012 09:22 am (UTC)
Too much? Too cliched? Too predictable? I think it has some potential.

Actually I think this has GREAT potential, *claps* - I could easily get behind something like this, mainly because -

Dean going to Purgatory has to MEAN something. It has to change something - have an impact on their story lines. For him to return and just carry on would be a complete waste of story potential. <-THIS - a million times bloody this, show has to give the core storyline and the main impetus of the season back to the brothers, they need a reason to be still hunting, so maybe as you said there could be some part of Sam's ritual to get Dean out, that still remains to be done, a quest or something, it has to be personal again, saving the world just because it needs saving isn't doing it for me any longer. I like this idea very much and I agree that it would be a challenge for both actors and that's important, writers giving them some fresh meat to sink their teeth into and this year could be a real scorcher.

I haven't factored how Cas fits in or where they could take his story line, but I'm sure it would fit in there somewhere , yeah, me neither, not really bothered..





10th-Jun-2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
I think you hit it on the head here - it has to be personal again, saving the world just because it needs saving isn't doing it for me any longer.

The end of the world can't be the main thrust next season because we've already had that - It has to be more personal. I like the idea of quests - maybe the ritual Sam performed is tied into things that have to be done. Maybe a deadline before the end of the season or something. I know we've had that before a personal issue would be cool again.

And I'd love for the Js to have some new material. I know jensen is very capable - I'd love to see him reach the heights of "The End".

So curious to see what they actually do... ;)

xox
10th-Jun-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
Dean would definitely have to get his memories back at some stage - I can't imagine that could go on for too long.

I think if there was some um, desperation to their predicament it would be interesting. Maybe something Sam does to get Dean out creates a deadline or something. But yeah...it needs to be personal again.
10th-Jun-2012 11:12 pm (UTC)
I don't think they'll do it because they already pretty much did the same thing when they brought Castiel back this time. He had amnesia, didn't he?

Also I know I wouldn't like it-- I want more brotherly moments, not less. :(

I'd much rather see them go on a quest for their parents again, or something like that. Something that has nothing to do with the angels though.

Edited at 2012-06-10 11:14 pm (UTC)
11th-Jun-2012 07:01 am (UTC)
Ah yes... I forgot about Cas's bout of amensia. Though it did only last for 1/2 and episode. But yeah - I doubt they'd actually take this route, especially as it was done before. Though I do see room for it to be done much better than Cas's - as in, that went by too quickly and made little sense. Mostly - what happened to his wife?!? I imagine it taking a few episodes at least.

In my mind this would create more brotherly moments rather than less. They would discover a friendship and there would lots of emo bonding over past stuff. But yeah doubt they'd do that. I do like the idea that perhaps something that gets Dean out of Purtagory requires some quests or tasks that have a deadline (though they've done that before as well...). I think there definitely needs to be something personal at stake.

I just can't imagine what they could do that gives Purgatory meaning AND have them reunited immediately. *head scratch*

Damn! Is it October yet?!
11th-Jun-2012 09:47 pm (UTC)
" The brothers are reunited on screen quickly, but much time will have passed."

They've done this quit a bit. When Dean returned in season 4, 3 months passed for Sam and 300 years passed for Dean. And then again when Sam's soul was brought back. I hope they pull it off nicely. No cliches. No deja vu. I hope the season rocks. I want this show to go out with a bang, not booed off stage.
11th-Jun-2012 11:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, they have. I can't say I wasn't disappointed when I read that especially they've done it both times the boys "died". Let' hope they can do something interesting with it. :)

xx
12th-Jun-2012 09:24 pm (UTC)
. . . it might be Sam's "fault" that Dean comes back the way he is. If he had to perform some ritual to get him back there might have been part of it that means the soul and person comes back "clean". Sam would rather have Dean back like that than not at all. (so Sam would have to emotionally deal with that decision maybe). And yes..it would mirror what Sam and Dean have already been through with Sam's lack of soul.

I am torn. I LOVE the idea of Sam having to make such a decision, then having to live with it. Also love the idea of Dean coming to the realization of what his brother has done. On the other hand, I'm not too sure I like the parallel to Castiel pulling Sam out of Hell incomplete. (Mainly because I had such difficulty believing that Cas would miss such a thing in the first place. Angels are attuned to souls, so surely he would have noticed if the soul he was allegedly rescuing wasn't there to be "gripped tight and raised from Perdition"?) Ah, but that's another writing-room fail for another day. ;)

And I wholeheartedly agree that if Dean does "come back different," there should be no more magic fixes. No angelic miracles, no demonic deals, no more deux ex machina.
16th-Jun-2012 10:41 am (UTC)
Hi,

Ah yes... I didn't think about it being a parallel to Cas bringing Sam out of Hell without his soul if Sam got Dean out without his memory....hmmmmm

They've been playing a little bit with the idea that Sam understands what Cas did because, like himself, he's made mistakes that he thought were unforgivable - just like Cas has done. I'm not sure if they'll continue with that parallel or not. I mean, they have to do something with Cas but I just can't imagine what it would be.

It would be pretty tough on Sam to save Dean but for Dean to return incomplete. Though maybe that would mirror Dean deciding to put back Sam's soul, risking his sanity.

I really hope there will be no magic fixes. I would definitely hope Sam's knows well enough not to make any more Demon deals. I am very curious to see where they go with this. Purgatory has to mean something - I can't wait to find out what!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts hun.

xox
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