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7th-Oct-2012 09:42 am
Muffin?
There was a time (about 3 or 4 years ago) that hearing a fan say they are no longer enjoying The Show made me feels all sorts of sad. I even used to try and convince people that it would be ok and DON'T GOOOOOO! "but just wait...it will get better for you..." (/o\)



But recently (particularly since S8) I don't have that reaction. I mean, it is still sad to see flisters move away from the fandom (all that wonderful fic or art and chat no more :((), but trying to convince someone that a show is still worth sticking around for is just silly. When the time has come to move on, the time has come. You can't change someone's mind unless they are actively looking for it to be changed. It's like trying to convince someone that Sam (and his hair!) is amazing or that Dean and Cas is the best thing ever. If you don't believe it you just don't. No harm, no foul. (But come on! Sam and his flowing locks...<333) The show works because each of us finds something different to love about it.

I sometimes wonder if my continuing love of the show is mostly because I desperately WANT to keep loving it (because fanning is such fun! especially when it's enriched my real life so much) or whether it's genuinely still got me hooked. Writing posts like this (and working on a post on scene choices from 8.01 at the moment) tells me I'm hooked because the show is still delivering me something I want from it. I'm still ridiculously invested. The latest episode cemented that even more.

But I get it. If the show isn't doing that for you it's just...not. It's sad, I imagine, because letting go of something that at some point would have held your heart would be..well, sad. I'm not looking forward to that day (if it ever comes) for me, but I will know it's happened because I just won't care that there's an episode to watch, or there's some meta to read, or discussion to be part of. Though I think if that happens I might go kicking and screaming. If show makes me not care any more about it I will CARE about that. So will probably not go gently into that sad night...;)

I hope that doesn't happen to me but I can appreciate (much better now) that it can and does happen.



No idea why I spewed that all over my journal. I just felt like getting that off my chest.
<3


(I love the new "collapse". Thanks LJ.)
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7th-Oct-2012 01:48 am (UTC)
I've started to be more accepting of people moving on too, tho it still makes me very very sad. I've gotten better at searching out new people to friend who are very into the show like I am, so that I don't feel like I'm alone in my still-very-intense fannish devotion. I don't do all that well with change in general, so I think that's part of it. But like you, I still find myself fascinated with Show and emotionally invested in it. I lay awake for an hour after the premiere just *thinking* about it, trying to make sense of it. And that is *caring*. I still care. I'm also very grateful for those other fans who do too. Like you :)
7th-Oct-2012 08:16 am (UTC)
I lay awake for an hour after the premiere just *thinking* about it, trying to make sense of it.

Yeah - that's a sure indicator isn't it? :) I sometimes wonder if I will just stop caring or starting getting annoyed with the show when (or rather if) I stop caring.

And I think it's true that many are leaving the fandom (or moving to other platforms) but it's great to see new people around or others still remaining dedicated...:) Like us! :))
7th-Oct-2012 02:18 am (UTC)
(But come on! Sam and his flowing locks...<333)

OBVIOUSLY.
7th-Oct-2012 08:17 am (UTC)
Indeed!

HA! Icon...<33
7th-Oct-2012 02:19 am (UTC)
I totally understand the feeling when you see someone decided to move on from the fandom or they just stop writing/posting things about the fandom any more. But I guest this is also something we need to face when it gets to some point. I mean, it's nearly impossible for a show to always keep flesh and amazing as the beginning. You either say goodbye at the right time(e.g ended at S5) or you continue but bear with a decreased standard. I mean, somethings you just can't ask for both. So, there're some people can't live with the latter so they leave. It hurts like hell because we've already known them and they've become for than just another spn fans in our lives. However, that's their choice. I am always grateful when I see so many amazing fans still choose to stick around... I mean, it confused when I saw Sam in 801. I don't get it either, and sometimes I just don't know what the writers are thinking. But the boys are still here. They haven't given up, so who are we to?
Hope I didn't bother...I am just going though the some stage so...you know╮(^-^)╭
ps, always like your vids!
7th-Oct-2012 08:22 am (UTC)
Hi,

Yeah, it's hard to see people move on but it's totally understandable. I know the show isn't hitting the buttons for everyone any more (and 8 years is a long time for a show to keep running I suppose). I know the show isn't exactly the one everyone fell in love with in the beginning. For me, I've enjoyed the progression - it's not always been easy I admit, but it's still hitting those buttons for me. :))

I loved 8.01 - I think they are doing interesting things with the characters. But then again, I've thought that every season so I'm probably not a great judge...;

And thanks! I'm glad you enjoy the vids. :<33
7th-Oct-2012 02:21 am (UTC)
Yeah, I used to be the same way and have come to the same conclusion. I know the show has had (long) periods of not making me happy, but I didn't move on because there was still so much in the history that I loved and I had faith that it would go on to do more things I enjoyed. So I always used to try to make people think like that, but at this point, I get it. It breaks my heart that so many people have moved on/are moving on, but if it's not inspiring you any more, there's no reason to stay.

What really does piss me off is the people who constantly go on about how over the show they are and how out of the fandom they are and how GLAD they are to be rid of it, and yet they still fill up my twitter timeline and friendspage with wank from the fandom (that they must go looking for, because I'm IN the fandom and I don't know about half this stuff) or posts about HOW AWFUL THESE SPOILERS/EPISODES ARE and HOW GLAD THEY ARE THEY DON'T CARE ANYMORE. Then WHY are you still watching/spewing negativity all over those of us who DO still care?

Sorry. Long pent up rant there. I'll stop talking now.

But Sam's hair, tho. *_______*
7th-Oct-2012 02:32 am (UTC)
Anonymous
I was gonna comment - but this up here what cherie said is EVERYTHING I feel. Some seem to just revel in the negativity. Ok you're over the show. That's sad but why hang around to share the vitriole? Please move on nothing to see here. And also Sam's hair is reason enough to stay. :)
7th-Oct-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
This is my first real fandom and I get sad when I hear people are thinking of leaving or are leaving/have left. :(

I know I've struggled with some of my reactions during parts of S6 and this episode. But bottom line is that I cannot stop thinking about the show and to me that's an indicator of how invested I still am.

And the fact that both boys were insanely hot...well didn't hurt. And I'm sorry but Sam's hair? Gorgeous.

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7th-Oct-2012 08:44 am (UTC)
Yeah - it being my first fandom also makes me think it's something a lot of other fans just know and accept. It's taken me a while to get with the program, as it were. ;)

And they are INSANELY HOT! Man... the older they get...*thud*...

<3
7th-Oct-2012 02:38 am (UTC)
It makes me sad of course but I can see that things change, people change, excitement and love for shows wane and die or sometimes come back in the middle of no where. People move on but just because they move on doesn't man freindships die. :)
7th-Oct-2012 08:46 am (UTC)
People move on but just because they move on doesn't man freindships die.

Absolutely!

Though I've been pondering that also. Essentially the thing we all have in common is the show. Remove that and it comes down to the relationships we've managed to build outside of that - which I know for some of us is big. <33
7th-Oct-2012 04:03 am (UTC) - OMG
OMG I AM PLANNING A VID ABOUT ALL MY FRIENDS LEAVING SPN AND HOW SAD IT MAKES ME RIGHT NOW.

I'll...probably never get around to making it, seeing as I have, um, a fan film to edit, but IN MY HEAD IT'S DEEP AND MOVING AND SAD AND A LITTLE BIT PATHETICALLY FUNNY AND THEN IT'S JOYFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE STILL HERE.

Seriously, you are the joyful punchline to my imaginary epic new vid. :D :D :D :D
7th-Oct-2012 09:41 am (UTC) - Re: OMG
OH OH!! NEW VID?! Really? That would be so cool...;D

And YAY for joyfulness!

(and I got your lovely email. I haven't be able to respond via normal channels as I am away, but YAY!! I'll get onto those other scenes when I get back...<33)
7th-Oct-2012 04:59 am (UTC)
Life is short so spend your time on what you love. I LOVE this show but also its fans that I found here and it's sad to see some of them move on. I would way rather people go be with what they love though than spend their time ranting about how much they hate whatever it is that turned them off. It's a waste of precious time and energy and it doesn't change anything. I don't mind the occasional complaint because there is always going to be stuff but it needs to be outweighed by good feelings or you need to let it go after a proper period of mourning.

It's like the guy you were dating didn't turn out to be who you wanted to be with but you don't need to tell all his friends repeatedly how he let you down. They got it the first time and they are still hanging out with him. They know he can be a dork now and then and don't care. I know it's hard because you really loved him and wanted it to work out but you need to move on.

He and his awesome hair and burger order of love and his BAMF Purgatory-escaping brother and their cool car still make my day (week, month, year....).



Edited at 2012-10-07 05:00 am (UTC)
7th-Oct-2012 09:48 am (UTC)
Hey! Oh I love your analogy. SPN = dorky boyfriend. Hee...

And yes...there's a time to let him go and move on (someone else will love him after all...).

BURGER ORDER OF LOVE!!! Oh I loved that SO much...<3 (but then there was so much I adored in that ep).

<33

7th-Oct-2012 05:04 am (UTC)
I'm sure there was a storyline in there somewhere, but I spent most of the premiere just marvelling at how hot Sam Winchester is looking right now... I'll just have to watch it again I guess... such hardship... ;)
7th-Oct-2012 11:14 am (UTC)
Ha! Yes! I totally understand that. After watching it people mentioned things I missed. I'm sure that's because I was staring at the boys the entire time...
7th-Oct-2012 05:43 am (UTC)
I used to be a bit like that too - I would get upset when I realised people who I took for granted would just be writing marvellous fics for me forever and ever had slowly stopped writing, their names popping up in other fanomds ( damn you Avengers, H50 and Sherlock:))

But now I'm okay that SPN is no longer the big shiny that it was, and I realise after just 1 episode of S8 that it doesn't matter becasue I am still very much invested - I wrote a review and I'm halfway through a missing scene, and I had a blast reading through other people's reviews and comments on the ep.

So yeah, still here, still not going gently, still turning the last light off when it's all a final wrap.
7th-Oct-2012 11:17 am (UTC)
Yes yes...like this.

I'm so glad you are still invested *clings* \o/

and YAY missing scene!! Ooh and I want to check out your review. I've loved finding out what others thought of it.

*hugs*
7th-Oct-2012 07:24 am (UTC)
i stopped watching spn around season 4/5. i still however have much affection for the show and like that fandom keeps alive a version of the show that i can enjoy. i have always been involved in many fandoms though so perhaps that makes a difference?
7th-Oct-2012 11:20 am (UTC)
Hey. :) I do actually wonder if it has something to do with being involved in different fandoms. I love many, many shows and films but I just can't see myself being fannish about them. I don't think I could flit around the place. Though I think I would like to, but nothing else makes me want to be so involved like SPN does.

I love that you are around though, even though it's not for SPN..<3
7th-Oct-2012 10:48 am (UTC)
I'm still ridiculously invested. The latest episode cemented that even more.

Me too, my heart was pounding as I sat down to watch 801 and despite my Sam'n'Dean hurt I am beyond excited for MORE. ♥ these boys just own my heart and soul, ugh, what have they done to me?? :P
I'm so very very happy and grateful that you and quite a few of my other flisties are still too. ♥
7th-Oct-2012 11:24 am (UTC)
Oh yes yes... pounding heart, butterflies, squeeful noises...all that was going on when it finally came on. :))

And I think the SamnDean hurt is all par for the course yeah? It couldn't possibly be Show without some brother troubles. They have to have them to prove their UNDYING love for each other!

xx
7th-Oct-2012 11:13 am (UTC)
On one hand, I've seen several of my favorite writers depart SPN for other fandoms. It makes me sad and I wish they'd stick around, sure, but I've never been one to try and change someone's mind once it's made up.

On the other hand. The ones who whine and bitch about how "awful" SPN is these days, the ones who allegedly "Stop Watching, Never To Return!", yet come back every week to complain about how horrible Show is . . . yeah, those folk can't GTFO quick enough for me. You don't like Show anymore, fine. But stop trying to ruin it for everyone else.
7th-Oct-2012 11:56 am (UTC)
Yeah - the "I'm outta here" only to keep returning and telling us all how awful it is makes no sense. Only to make themselves feel better about losing their love maybe. Seeing others still in love can hurt sometimes...

I rather like being in love though...;)

xx
7th-Oct-2012 11:33 am (UTC)
In some ways TV is like real life. There are lots of people that I love very dearly, but the older I (and they) get, the more I become aware of their flaws and weaknesses. But I focus on the reasons why I love them, and on our history togehter rather than nit-picking their faults. Unless they are a serial killer, in which case I would sever the ties. I love SPN, but it has faults, and the longer we know each other the more I notice it's flaws. But I don't dwell on them, I dwell on what I like and love.

I don't have a problem with people deciding it's the end of the line and leaving the show, but I don't get the people who revel in slagging it of for 3 seasons after they left. It's hard not to think they want to spoil the enjoyment for everybody else, too.

Equally I do not get those groups of people who seem to be trying to talk themselves out of the show on pupose. I've seen a number of reviews where people said something like: There was much to love in this episode (x,y,z) but there was that one thing that I didn't like. And then follows a string of comments: I really enjoyed it, too, but I agree that one thing was totally out of character and annoying. And then they start discussing that ONE THING in detail, and then go on to hypothizing where it might all lead, and get all upset about that posibility, and by the end they're all like; Well, I'm gonna watch the next episode, but I am pretty sure it's all gonna be terrible and go wrong and I'll hate it. This seems such a self-defeating excercise to me.
8th-Oct-2012 08:50 am (UTC)
I love SPN, but it has faults, and the longer we know each other the more I notice it's flaws. But I don't dwell on them, I dwell on what I like and love.

Ditto. There are times when I am very aware that the show has problems. In any other show I wouldn't tolerate it but this show has a special magic that makes me forgive it. It's interesting to me because I think of Teen Wolf a little the same. TW has some similar types of flaws but because it didn't really "grab" me I am a lot more critical of it. But I totally understand the people who love it. If there's enough there to love, you'll ignore the flaws.

It's hard not to think they want to spoil the enjoyment for everybody else, too.

Yeah - I think it might come down to an irritation with all those who do love it maybe. I suppose the SPN fandom can be a little, um, full on. Though I think removing yourself from the fandom comms and forums once the show is over for you is the best way to go.

And then they start discussing that ONE THING in detail

Hee...yeah. I noticed some of that too. I totally get people thrashing out issues they have with a story line or character but if it's just one thing that's an issue then that's pretty good for an episode. If everything else is great then sounds like a win to me.

xx
8th-Oct-2012 09:20 am (UTC)
because fandom ruins the show for me with the negative reactions (especially about Sam - poor Sam)

Oh I know! Nothing gets me down more than Sam bashing. Luckily I haven't seen any of it this time around (I think I am good at avoiding it *g*). Constant negative comments are difficult. I found that quite hard with the spoilers leading up to S8. So much negativity.

But I've noticed a lot of people had a similar reaction to you to 8.01. I think Jared really sold post-dean-disappearing-Sam. There's lots to be excited about! :DD
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