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6th-Dec-2012 07:59 pm
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I hated that beyond words.

I am literally sobbing as I type because this actually feels like the end.

What happened to my beautiful, bromancy, interesting, scary, intriguing show? My show that had "something up its sleeve", my show that only ever had brothers at odds with each other FOR A REAL REASON! My show that had brothers who loved each other. My show that knew it's history. My show that WAS NEVER a soap opera. My show.... *sobs*

My heart is breaking so much and it fucking hurts.

I trust that I missed something. To be honest I don't even have the energy to rant. I am so disappointed and hurt. The season cliffhanger is Amelia walking back into Sam's life... just. No words.

I have never witnessed so much distrust, disloyalty, dis-LOVE between the brothers....EVER. Even when they were fighting at the end of S4 there was at least passion. This was just...nothing. All those things without any reason. They were hardly even on the screen together. I think I even detected real hate between them. And if that's supposed to make me tune in to see how they resolve it?...well...yeah. Not so much.

The show has changed. I suppose it had to. So many of you already saw it. I glimpsed it and clawed myself back. But this is what the show has become and that saddens me so, so much.

I know I shouldn't post. I know you want positive stuff. But in one episode it cemented everything I feared this season would turn into. A boring soap opera.

(I will say that it was beautifully filmed. And if it was a soap opera then I am sure it was beautifully written).

6th-Dec-2012 12:14 pm (UTC)
6th-Dec-2012 12:24 pm (UTC)
Oh Ellie! It was everything you dreaded. Everything I hoped wouldn't happen.

I just can't believe it.

Sam really didn't look.
Sam really did just fall for a girl
Sam actually said some really cheesy horrid thing to her about him not ready for it to be over.
Sam coped out. Really.

Sam handcuffed Dean when he was unconscious.

Perception means nothing. It really was all as boring as everything we saw.

Dean hurt Sam in every way Dean should not have done.

Nothing makes sense.

There are not even any interesting parallels. Or, if there are I just don't care.

Both Sam and Dean have become awful people.

How do I come back from this?

It was just so so horrible.


(sorry. I just wrote everything I probably should have written in the post). I WAS hoping I could say to you...SEE! Everything is all right.

Man. I was so wrong.

6th-Dec-2012 12:22 pm (UTC)
You are not the only one feeling destroyed. They took my show and took a hammer to the heart of it. They wrecked the character of Sam and I don't think they can walk it back. Dean can do no wrong, Sam can do no right.
6th-Dec-2012 12:29 pm (UTC)
Dean didn't escape the character annihilation either. He used Amelia to hurt Sam. That was the lowest blow I can think of from Dean. Ever.

They were so horrid to each other it was beyond anything I have ever seen from them before. Neither boys were right as far as I can see. Neither of them had good reasons to act the way they did.

It was so sad to see.

6th-Dec-2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
I will say that I don't think this was a bad episode, as such. As the sixth or seventh of the season, it would probably have been fine. What it wasn't was a strong mid-season finale.

It didn't offer up anything we didn't already know. It didn't throw in anything game changing. Benny is basically a decent guy, but also a vampire so there's always the risk that he might lose control - knew that. Sam is no longer seeing Amelia; also Amelia's husband is alive - knew both those things. Sam is desperately jealous of Benny and Dean is desperately jealous of Amelia - knew that. Hunters are rubbish at understanding moral complexity - knew that.

It was a solid enough monster plot but ... what am I supposed to be on tenterhooks until January to find out about? Amelia didn't give any indication that she had anything interesting to say, and while I bear her no ill will, I'm not exactly invested in her romance with Sam, either.

To be fair - I, at least, didn't see dislike. I saw some really dangerous jealousy in the way they each tried to use the other's relationship against him. That is passion, but it's also kind of childish - which is weird when they talked about this series depicting them as grown up. And weirder still in that it was in no way resolved, or even discussed.

I was surprised to see in the opening credits that Carver didn't write this one. I would have thought the show runner would want a hand in this one - and if he had to delegate, why to Loflin of all people? Hardly their strongest writer.
6th-Dec-2012 12:47 pm (UTC)
Rumor has it that 8.10 was actually supposed to be the cliffhanger, and the network got in the way of the airing order.

I still think this ep was rife with a lot of the major problems the season has had, but it makes a bit more sense if you think of it as the lead-up to the hiatus ep and not the hiatus ep, though I have no idea what the source of that rumor is or if it is reliable.
6th-Dec-2012 02:22 pm (UTC)
Man, Ash! Me, too! I waited 45 mins after it aired to get online and see if anyone had anything to say about it, and it seems everyone was struck dumb. So I emailed a dear friend I'd met in this fandom who abandoned the show last year, told her she was right, and went to bed with a heavy heart.

(It does help, now, hearing that it wasn't intended to be the emotional note that holds us over for 6 weeks.)

I'm probably not quite as broken up as everyone who wanted there to be some mystery revealed about Sam's 'dream life' in their year apart. I've always been completely okay with Sam just deciding not to look. (I wouldn't have minded if there *was* a secret reason, but I'm still happy with my theory that Sam thought Dean might be in heaven. I'm even okay if it's simply that he had zero resources to tell him how to get Dean out if that wasn't the case, the deeply ingrained knowledge that tragedy always happens when they try, and he was too shattered to do anything else.)

But after season 4, when they embarked on this journey of mistrusting each other and unleashing anger, I've been ready for them to go back to being on the same side. Every year, I say -- this season they'll go back to that season 1-2 vibe of taking care of each other and making each other laugh and risking their lives to save strangers. And instead - I get episodes that I have no interest in watching a second time and wallowing in.

Oddly, I still have hope. I still care about the boys enough to tune in and see how they're doing. And I even hope they'll have a heart-to-heart and Dean will recognize (admit to Sam?) that his harsh attitude about Sam not looking was really his own guilt for not trying to get Cas out once he himself was safely back.

But I still think this was a lousy way to start a hiatus.
6th-Dec-2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
But we'll always have episode 7X02, right?????

6th-Dec-2012 02:35 pm (UTC)
*hugs* :-*
7th-Dec-2012 12:19 am (UTC)
Thanks hun.

Sorry I'm such a misery guts. :((
6th-Dec-2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
I haven't got around watching it yet, should I dread it or not?
7th-Dec-2012 12:21 am (UTC)
Um...depends what you are after. If you like dramas (read soap operas) you might like it. If you don't mind the boys being horrid to each other then you might be for you. Oh, and if you're desperate to know a lot more about Benny then you'll love it. :)

Hee..you can see what I thought. :((
6th-Dec-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
Aw, hang in there, little soldier! Yes, it was an explosion of mistrust but think of how gorgeous it will be when they HUG AND MAKE UP! (From my fingers to your eyes, Carver...)
7th-Dec-2012 12:23 am (UTC)
Ha! Thanks hun!

(it's probably telling that I can't even imagine a hug on the horizon. It'll be a nod and a wave and on with the next case...)

Ack! I promise my negativity will be gone soon(-ish).

6th-Dec-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
Me too.

This is what I've been struggling with all season because I read all the interviews and spoilers over the hiatus and Carver and others like him have consistently said that there is nothing "hidden" in Sam's behavior. Take it at face value. I kept hoping they were still trying to pull one over on us (ala Kripke saying there would never be angels.)

I am seeing some folks that liked the episode. But I posted something similar to your post myself. I am just struggling so much. :(

7th-Dec-2012 12:29 am (UTC)
Yeah. It's just...idk...everything. I even tried to really accept that Sam just ran away. I could accept much more it if only they showed us the kind of mess Sam was. Instead we've only had him in this relationship. I have no issue with him having a relationship but essentially that's it</a>. A year is a long time and all we get to see is that... *sniff*

Plus they are just horrible to each other these days. So sad.

6th-Dec-2012 03:50 pm (UTC)
{{{{hugs you a lot}}}}
7th-Dec-2012 12:31 am (UTC)
Thank you honey. I think of you a lot when I have these reactions for some reason. I wish I could make a clean break but it's bloody hard.

6th-Dec-2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Ugh, I watched it this morning with breakfast, thinking yay, this'll start my day on a good foot. UUUUGGGGHHHH, it did not. I mean, I guess they did a good job at tearing the audience apart, which is kind of what the show is about, haha, but I just hate it when it's like that. Like Dean dropping the medallion in the trash, like Dean saying he couldn't trust Sam anymore. Those things are necessary to plot, yeah? but still hurt.

So I'm just gonna be holding my breath over the hiatus, waiting to see if the other shoe will drop, or... if... the first one will get put back on its foot, haha. Honestly, hearing that this wasn't supposed to be the season mid-finale or whatever has made me feel better. Quite a bit, even if it turns out not to be true. And spoilers that snuck past my spoilercatcher mitts have also made me feel a little better. Still love the show in general, and still trust the creators, (though they lost a little bit this ep) and I... still want there to be more to sam's year away from Dean. Which I think there is. I just want to KNOOOOOOOOWWWWWW.
7th-Dec-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
Hey hun. You too huh?

I think if their aim was to tear the audience apart then they did a good job. I know show has a history of fans gnashing their teeth at certain times. And there really have been some horrible moments in the past, but they all seemed to be in much more conflict then they do at the moment.

Maybe because I though the shoe was gong to drop in this ep I was left so disappointed. I am pleased that this wasn't the actual mid-season finale. but that does leave me worried about the actual one. It probably means the next one is going to be even more heart-breaking. But I won't dwell on it.

I will probably spoil myself though. ;)

I seriously want to trust the creators. I always have but this season has been the hardest for me so far...;((

6th-Dec-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
*all the hugs*

I feel so much the same, and I am so sorry. All I can hope is that eventually Sam & Dean will be back on the same page, and we can try to forget that any of this happened.
6th-Dec-2012 05:06 pm (UTC)
I feel so much the same, and I am so sorry. All I can hope is that eventually Sam & Dean will be back on the same page, and we can try to forget that any of this happened.

I really do believe this will happen. Shows take wrong turns, and this is just a very wrong one. Seeing as how they are planning to go through Season 10, I think they were trying to "shake things up" and managed to break all their shiny toys in the process.

I will start watching again once they figure this out! Hope springs eternal and all.
6th-Dec-2012 05:02 pm (UTC)
*cries with you*

I'm working up to a rant.
7th-Dec-2012 02:55 am (UTC)
*hands tissues* I have a box here.

6th-Dec-2012 05:04 pm (UTC)
Oh, hon!!!!! I haven't even watched (nor do I intend to) but I feel your pain, every bit of it.

My basic plan is that I'm skipping this arc entirely. I really do believe they will work they way out of it, eventually, maybe after a few more episodes, maybe after a season, but I just don't want to watch it happen in real-time. I haven't watched the last few eps, and if I need to, I'll just freeze my head-canon to 2/3 of the way through Season 7. That being said, I really do think they will turn this around, once they figure out they've lost their way. And I do believe they will figure it out because they are smart writers, original thinkers, creators, etc....I think they just decided that DOING SOMETHING NEW was important.

Deep breath. In and out. We can all do it. And if nothing else, we'll always have 7X02...remember the awesomeness of that episode?


(Is Arrow good?)

7th-Dec-2012 02:59 am (UTC)
You're doing the right thing. I wish I had your will power to wait and see. I just keep on thinking they will get this right at some point. Skipping this arc is a great approach and I have to remember that it will be ok at some point.


Arrow is enjoyable. Hubby likes it so we can watch it together. There's a bit of everything in it - action, mystery, romance, hot lead actor, bromance..all the ingredients my darling show used to have...;)

Thanks deb. I always love your words of wisdom.
6th-Dec-2012 05:05 pm (UTC)
I haven't seen the episode yet and likely won't be able to watch it before tomorrow afternoon *damns the move to Wednesday* but I am sorry to see you so distraught! *hugs* Let's just hope that some of your optimism returns over the hiatus and maybe things will be looking up after the winter break. I am not ready to give up on our boys yet!

Edited at 2012-12-06 05:07 pm (UTC)
7th-Dec-2012 06:18 am (UTC)
I am hoping it will return also. Show is giving me so little to be optimistic about. Even though there are parallels being made all over the place between Amelia/Sam and Benny&Dean I'm too tied to try and interpret them.

With about 5 weeks until next ep I'm sure there will be stuff from to make it all better. :))

6th-Dec-2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
"Over the course of the next two episodes, Sam's relationship with Amelia -- and how it fell apart -- will be explored much further. We'll finally learn why he left her (and his dog!) in the middle of the night."

If the Zap2It article posted last Thursday was right, then de_nugis's rumor is right, too: we've only seen one of these "next two episodes," and based on what aired last night, there's no way we've seen why he left her in the middle of the night. So I'm withholding judgment for the moment, too, even though it's harder to do that right now than it's been all season. :(

Edited at 2012-12-06 05:09 pm (UTC)
7th-Dec-2012 06:34 am (UTC)
Thank you. Apparently (and I'm going from missyjack's tweet) that was the planned mid-season finale. I can accept that it's a two parter though. It felt like a "to be continued".

Unfortunately the quote is no less upsetting for me. I feel like just saying...so? (not to you of course hun, but to Carver ;D) I am curious why Carver would think this is something that a mid-season finale should end on. I feel like he honestly thinks that Sam's relationship to Amelia is that compelling.

But...maybe her walking back in at the end is as "shocking" as Sam acted like it was because of the way he left her - in the middle of the night. There probably is more there (though I dread that it's probably as mundane as everything else we've seen. As in it's a relationship thing, nothing to do with anything supernatural).

Man....I am so sorry for spewing all that. You don't deserve that. I am desperately trying to cling on to something positive and you have given that to me so thanks. <333
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