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28th-Feb-2013 10:47 pm
Batcave Legs up


Well, actually Dear Cas but I'll get to that later.

I really REALLY liked that one. I can't quite put my finger on it but it felt, um...grown up or something. It felt really comfortable and solid. I think a lot of that had to do the the boys being smart and competent. They were in charge of the situation. They were professional and it felt so good to watch them work this case calmly and with a sense of knowledge and experience. I liked that they were calling the shots and even though they got thrown around a bit (thank you), it's all part of "another day at the office".

It was refreshing and it continues this lovely reboot of where they are at.

I really don't have a lot to say about the story line because, ashamedly, I know nothing about Greek mythology. I should, but I don't. (check out what maenad has to say on her journal though - she's in the know...;D). I'll just say I liked all the characters and the story was interesting enough to keep me engaged. I think a lot of that had to do with the acting of the guess stars. There wasn't the histrionics we get sometimes. It was nicely handled I thought. Kudos to Steve Boyum for his directing. I think in less experienced hands this wouldn't have worked so well.

Some things I have to mention:

Let's start at the very end and *swoon* over that final speech of Dean's. OH MY GOD! Did Dean just pray to Cas to watch over his little brother?! He said LITTLE BROTHER!! \o/ Be still my hurt!Sam / protective!Dean heart!! I think I died and went to the bat cave. And Jensen is always amazing when he does scenes like that. <33 I will be re-watching that scene SO MANY TIMES!! (and I loved "eat your burger"...)

I am beyond THRILLED that they didn't make a huge issue about Sam not telling Dean about the blood. THANK YOU! THANK YOU!! THIS is how Dean reacts. He knows Sam is hurting and he knows why Sam would be keeping that from him. Instead of ranting about Sam hiding things or keeping secrets he prays to keep him safe. There may never be a finer moment (well, there might be but that one tops it so far this season).

I also love that we got more from Dean about how he really feels about those trials. It should have been him. Dean wants that more than possibly anything at the moment. He doesn't want Sam in danger and he knows that if Sam dies it will somehow be his fault. Even if it isn't. ON DEAN!! So much love for this Dean I CAN'T EVEN!!!

Now let's go to the scene just before that. *ADORES* Sam all but tells Dean he's not well. That was all little brother speak for "I'm scared and I'm not actually sure I will be able to do this." And as much as Dean said he didn't want emo I didn't think Sam was being particularly emo about it. He just stated a concern, tried to inform Dean carefully about his predicament. I honestly believe that Sam is keeping this from Dean to protect him. He knows Dean will freak. He promised Dean he'd be ok and he isn't. He really doesn't want to worry, upset, disappoint Dean. (and yeah, Dean DID freak. It brought about prayer, which is Dean freaking...). I love it even more that Dean can see right through him.

Also - it's SO going to take BOTH of them to complete these trials successfully. (\o/)

As always the MoTW connects to the brothers in some way and Sam seeing himself as Prometheus and seeing that future for himself was powerful. They have often considered themselves cursed - and it's clear what happens to those who are cursed. *meep* (I'd be really surprised if one of them dies as the cliffy this season - but you never know).

One of my other favourite scenes was the moment Sam had with the little boy. At first I wondered what that was all about - it didn't seem to really do or mean anything. But it was actually very poignant I thought. Dean is usually the one to connect with children. It looked like it was going to start out that way, but it ended with Sam trying to reach out. It was important that Sam saw this little boy make the decision to stay. He could have run away (like Sam has done in the past) but instead he chose to stay and accept what was happening. That meant something to Sam. (and yeah, Sam has faced his responsibilities before, but I think it served as a nice reminder. In the beginning of the season he was all for leaving it behind, now he needs reminding of the reasons he needs to stay). It was a lovely catalyst for the next scene of Sam opening up to Dean.

I also have to say that that scene was beautifully filmed. It wasn't rushed - the director allowed the moment to sink in. Allowed some quiet contemplation for both characters (and was anyone else thinking that Jared will have a better understanding of children now that he has one of his own? I was...).

The brother moments were fantabulous! So many quiet moments of bro!love. Dean was back to being proud of Sam, impressed with Sam's knowledge. Dean was in command and Sam took his lead acknowledging Dean's capabilities. They worked so smoothly together - I just loved it.

And the bat cave continues to be gorgeous and awesome. I wondered if they would let other people know about it. It looks like it's going to be a sanctuary for themselves and for others. (I just hope they don't let too many people know - I would hate to see that place threatened).

Dean is proud of being legacy. <33

*happy sigh* I love it when Show is like this.

As an aside...(skip if you've managed to somehow avoid the recent news re a certain character)



if they continue to have Cas as part of what's going on with Dean AND Sam I will happy (well, happier. I am ambivalent about him continuing to be around next season. Happy if it's about all three, downright depressed if it comes at the expense of Sam). I actually loved that Dean turned to Cas here to ask him to help Sam. I hope Cas heard him - though I suspect he might not have. And as much as the destiel shoutouts irk me, I do love it when they actually make some effort to show them as friends. Maybe now there will be some consistency in how they feel about him and act toward him. It will be tricky to have him as an ally (they will never face mortal danger again) but better if they can work as some sort of team. I'd love to see Cas as a protector to both of them. And some BAMF!Cas wouldn't go astray either...;D That's just me...those who know me know my turbulent history with Cas. :)


Anyway. That was highly satisfying. And I hope it continues to inspire Bat Cave works. Don't forget they can be cross posted to spn_batcave \o/

Boo! Have to wait until March 20th now...:(((((
Comments 
28th-Feb-2013 03:18 pm (UTC)
Aw, the mythology parts made it even better. The bird pecking out his liver! \o/ The Orion's-death shoutout! Oh, someone did their homework and it was glorious.

That ending speech was KILLER. And Jensen absolutely knocked it out of the park.

I was both happy and stunned that Sam actually kinda-sorta admitted that not all is well with him. I thought for sure he'd stay walled up -- it's the Winchester way. But we've seen different sides of both brothers lately, from Sam eating burgers, to Dean suggesting salad, so although I was stunned, I wasn't really surprised, you know? And I think we might be in for a few more surprises before this season is out. I can't wait!

if they continue to have Cas as part of what's going on with Dean AND Sam I will happy (well, happier. I am ambivalent about him continuing to be around next season. Happy if it's about all three, downright depressed if it comes at the expense of Sam).

Thank you. I'm a Dean!girl of the first magnitude, but I will spit nails AND fire if this bit of news means that things will turn into "Dean and Cas go hunt the monster while Sam studies in the library" plotline.

Boo! Have to wait until March 20th now...:(((((

Seriously. Hellatus SUCKS.
28th-Feb-2013 11:02 pm (UTC)
Aw, the mythology parts made it even better

I know!! That's why I'm annoyed I didn't listen during my Greek Myth classes.../o\ I loved the scene with the bird but didn't pick up its significance. Now it's even better!! :))

And I think Sam opening up and Dean just accepting it are steps forward for both of them. I was sure Carver was going to use this as a wedge to pull them apart again. So glad it doesn't look like he is.

but I will spit nails AND fire if this bit of news means that things will turn into "Dean and Cas go hunt the monster while Sam studies in the library" plotline.

Yeah. I don't think they will, but if it's all about giving the fans some Cas/Dean then I'll be spitting nails and fire also. I'd love to see them healing their past issues (properly) and having Sam be part of everything that's going on.

20th March is AGES away!!!
28th-Feb-2013 03:25 pm (UTC)
Oh, Ash I just want to draw great big sparkly hearts all over them and this episode. So many parallels between the MoTW and the characters and that moment in the cemetery when Prometheus tells Sam that his saving the world will only mean something if he can save his son. Who knows best the meaning of sacrifice and family better than a Winchester?

And Oliver accepting the gravity of the situation at what that all means, having such a knowledge thrust upon him at such a young age and choosing to stay. Oh, my, oh Sam. And it so reminded me of Dean as well as Sam, when Dean talked about his first hunt to Gordon how afterward as Sam waited in the car he and John took the body into the woods and burned it and that's when he realised how different he was to children his age because of what he'd seen, what he knew and how Oliver waited in the car, with Sam while his mom and Dean took the body into the woods and burned it and whether Oliver thought the same thing.

And Dean not being angry but concerned, praying for Sam, begging for Sam the one person he isn't afraid to beg help for, his little brother.

And Artemis defying her father, her God to do the right thing just as Castiel defied his and I CAN'T even there is just so much about this episode that I need to watch again to take it all in.
1st-Mar-2013 11:20 am (UTC)
Hi!

YES to all of that. A great reading on the ep and all the parallels. I think there was so much going on in this one and I love that there was a lot of thought put into it.

I think it's always nice for the boys to remember why they do this job. (for us too!) They risk their lives and are such goddamn heroes - just like mythical Gods.

I like the parallel between Artemis defying her father and Cas defying his. Makes me wonder where this season is heading....

I'm looking forward to it. :))
28th-Feb-2013 03:44 pm (UTC)
I just don't want Castiel coming between Dean and Sam.
1st-Mar-2013 11:22 am (UTC)
I don't think he will. He never has and I'm happy for that at least. I just don't want episodes of Dean and Cas working together and Sam left doing something else. I can't see that happening this season as they've set up these trials and I can't imagine Dean leaving him alone to do that. Not sure what they'll do next season....
28th-Feb-2013 04:27 pm (UTC)
This was a good one. Not much to add to your comments except for the beginning, I was just waiting for the thing to come eat the drunk driver and then I was hiding behind my hands waiting for the sheriff to go in the woods and get chomped and it was great for the suspense and then they turned the usual on its head. Grins..I love that the sheriff was all over the zombie thing.

The way things are set up now, we could have that whole "I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you" thing between the brothers. I would be cool with that.
1st-Mar-2013 11:24 am (UTC)
I loved the beginning of this ep. It was such a wonderful "horror" opening. I kept waiting for the guy to open his eyes - ready to be freaked out. I really liked the effects in that opening scene.

And YES! Dean helping Sam through this and Sam accepting his help will be my favourite thing ever if they do that. SO SO much better than them being at odds with each other about it.

xx
1st-Mar-2013 11:35 am (UTC)
Yeah - not an all time favourite (though that last scene is definitely up there as one of my all time fav scenes) but a very solid one.

i know a few fans had an issue with Dean praying to Castiel as both Dean and Sam suspect something is going on with Castiel

Oh, I hadn't heard that. Um...I think they've moved on from them not trusting Cas maybe. Or, I took it more as Dean at his lowest so Cas was the only one he thought to turn to. But I really don't know. Their relationship with Cas has been all over the place lately. One minute trusting, next minute doubting. I think that's why I struggle so much with his character at times. Hopefully by him being a regular means they'll sort all that out...

We shall see. I would love to see Cas try to help Sam but if he has some sort of magic cure I will likely toss things at the tv.

xx
28th-Feb-2013 04:47 pm (UTC)
I liked that they were calling the shots and even though they got thrown around a bit (thank you), it's all part of "another day at the office".

I agree - I very much like the way this is going. I particularly liked the scene where Dean counselled Haley on how to talk to gods - that it's important not to be overawed or be led into thinking a god is a friend who might help you. It's a nice evolution of character, because he and Sam once were variously awed, frightened or deceived by various demons, angels and gods, and now they know better.

I also like the contrast that made with Dean begging Castiel to help Sam at the end. Partly because it's Dean doing what he knows he shouldn't (but it's Sam, so the rules are different) and partly because Castiel isn't a distant figure like Zeus, he's a friend (so the rules are different). But of course Castiel is being controlled by unknown and distant forces, so perhaps the rules aren't different at all. Given how that connects with Haley's mistake in confronting Zeus, the whole thing is an interesting commentary on how love changes perspective.

Mostly, though, it makes me think of some of the things the writers said at the beginning of the season - that Sam and Dean would be the elder statesmen of the hunting world. The first half of the season didn't really deliver on that, but they're picking the idea up now. Time-travelling grandparents and gods who need curses lifted just don't faze them these days. :)

And as much as Dean said he didn't want emo I didn't think Sam was being particularly emo about it. He just stated a concern, tried to inform Dean carefully about his predicament.

Sam spoke very reasonably there. And it's good, because now that door is open. Dean always panics a bit the first time someone talks about death. But it's always easier for them to keep talking about something once they've started.

As always the MoTW connects to the brothers in some way and Sam seeing himself as Prometheus and seeing that future for himself was powerful. They have often considered themselves cursed - and it's clear what happens to those who are cursed.

There seems to be a ... theme developing here. Kevin described the trials as Herculean. Hercules is a weird figure. He was cursed, too. If you go back to the earliest stories he has a sort of 'violent criminal who's useful in case of monsters' vibe, but later he got reinterpreted (particularly by the Stoics) as a virtuous hero. His Labours were trials to help humanity and the monsters represented various human ills. More than that, he was able to bear up under the horrors fate inflicted on him.

Slaying the hellhound ties neatly into Hercules's 'fetch Cerberus' trial, and Trial and Error also had bonus Augean Stables. Then there's Prometheus, here. More than anything, Prometheus represents knowledge. Stealing fire is the most commonly known representation of that, but he's also the one who made us smart in the first place - he nicked knowledge from the gods for us, too. And you can see how that ties into Sam and Dean's acquisition of the Men of Letters' library, and their immediate gratitude toward and appreciation of Prometheus. And according to some legends at least it was Hercules who freed Prometheus from his torment.

Hm. Sorry. I just ... geeked out all over your journal, didn't I? There seems to be meta in here somewhere, but my brain hasn't quite sorted it all out yet. :)

It will be tricky to have him as an ally (they will never face mortal danger again) but better if they can work as some sort of team.

It's not so much Castiel returning that worries me as Castiel as a regular. I worry that they'll overuse him. It gets silly when they have to keep explaining why he can't save the day, they tend to make him the annoying comic relief more often than not, and I swear he eats Sam's screen time for breakfast. Castiel used sparingly? Could be effective. Castiel all the time? Oh, please no.
28th-Feb-2013 06:06 pm (UTC)
*butts in politely*

Slaying the hellhound ties neatly into Hercules's 'fetch Cerberus' trial, and Trial and Error also had bonus Augean Stables. Then there's Prometheus, here. More than anything, Prometheus represents knowledge. Stealing fire is the most commonly known representation of that, but he's also the one who made us smart in the first place - he nicked knowledge from the gods for us, too. And you can see how that ties into Sam and Dean's acquisition of the Men of Letters' library, and their immediate gratitude toward and appreciation of Prometheus. And according to some legends at least it was Hercules who freed Prometheus from his torment.

*reads*
*thinks*
*hugs your brain*
*stalks your LJ*

WOW. You worked the Augean Stables into there! This analysis is so many kinds of perfect, it's not even funny. (And I need to brush up on my Bulfinch, don't I?)

Castiel used sparingly? Could be effective. Castiel all the time? Oh, please no.

Thou speakest truth. ;D

Edited at 2013-02-28 06:07 pm (UTC)
28th-Feb-2013 05:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you said. It was a good episode. And I loved Dean's prayer. I can totally deal with Cas if Dean prays to him to keep his little brother safe. :D

I'm a little rusty on my Greek mythology, so I totally didn't get that it was Prometheus lying on that street getting his liver picked at. LOL I did like that Artemis was totally badass. And Zeus was just like I imagined him, power hungry and creepy. :)

I loved that Sam did kind of admit that he isn't completely fine to Dean and that Dean already knew that anyway. Because lets face it those two can totally see through each other.

And I can't believe that they're gonna make us wait again. *pouts*
2nd-Mar-2013 10:29 am (UTC)
so I totally didn't get that it was Prometheus lying on that street getting his liver picked at

*phew* I'm glad I'm not the only one. I loved that open (even if I missed the reference). It was wonderfully creepy and looked amazing.

And yeah - Dean knowing that Sam was hurting - it's makes so much sense. Dean knows when his little bro ain't doing so well.

And waiting SUCKS! (though it will give me more time to finish some fannish projects that I'm working on...;D)

xx
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2nd-Mar-2013 10:33 am (UTC)
Cas wouldn't be able to hear him in the batcave, right?

Hard to know. There might be sigils up that prevent demons and angels from finding the bunker (which would make sense) so maybe he can't. I suspect he can't anyway because he's under Heaven's control - maybe (?).

I do love it when he is their guardian angel or third brother. That version of Cas is my fav.

And yes yes about Dean. It what makes him such a wonderful, complex character. And I suspect he didn't want to bring that down on Benny either. It will be interesting to see where they pick that up from when (and if) Benny returns.

28th-Feb-2013 08:41 pm (UTC)
I think I need to re-watch this one. I had issues going on in RL that had me exhausted and kind of strung out, and I ended up not engaging with the episode at all. But enough of it appealed to me that I can say, yes, let's re-watch in a better mood (and well-rested) and see how it lands.

I don't know much about Greek mythology either. I do think they eliminated Zeus a little (well, a lot) too quickly - he could be a good recurring character down the line. I would have been more satisfied if the boys had managed to outsmart him, or impress him with their Awesome Skillz, and he'd removed the curse from the little boy - then swept Prometheus back to Olympus to torment him for another couple of centuries.

The other stuff was good, though. I thought all the guest actors acquitted themselves well, and all the zombie stuff was good fun. Jensen was stunning in that final scene. So overall, yeah, MUCH better than last week.

As far as Cas goes - judging by previous seasons, I don't think "regular" means he'll be in every episode. I suspect it's just a contract thing, where they have him booked for the whole season, and he'll be available if/when they need him. I honestly don't think he and Dean will be off fighting evil while Sam sits surrounded by library books. I *do* hope, though, that the writers have a solid fix on what they want to do with him, and they don't ricochet amongst the Many Flavors of Cas, as we've seen in the past.
3rd-Mar-2013 03:10 pm (UTC)
Hi,

I will admit that there were certain moments when my interest flagged a little but there were plenty of lovely broments that keep me going...:))

And I too thought they might have done more with Zeus. One of the problems with having Gods in the story is finding a way that our mere mortals can overcome them convincingly (an issue I often have with them dispatching demons and angels). I didn't mind this one as much, but then again I wasn't thinking about it as hard as I can sometimes...;)

Since the ep I have enjoyed hearing other people's take on how the mythology works in with Sam and Dean's story.

they don't ricochet amongst the Many Flavors of Cas

Oh yes. I know it's tricky for them because they have to keep finding story arcs for him and also have to find ways to keep him from being powerful. I find it difficult because I want to connect with him. To trust him. So yeah, I hope they can settle on something that we (well, I) can connect to.
28th-Feb-2013 08:42 pm (UTC)
i dont know about this for me, i tried to watch it its just some of it didnt hold my interest *ducks*
3rd-Mar-2013 03:12 pm (UTC)
No ducking needed...some eps just don't work for some of us (and I should know! Many this season haven't worked for me...;D)

xx
28th-Feb-2013 08:48 pm (UTC)
tomorrow is Jensen's b-day, after that, 19 days to go
28th-Feb-2013 11:12 pm (UTC)
i agree with all you've said here. due to injury of right shoulder i'm limited in ability to type. you've said it all for me
3rd-Mar-2013 03:13 pm (UTC)
Hey hun,

Sorry to hear about your shoulder. I hope you are ok. Glad you agree on the ep though. It was a pretty good one. :))
1st-Mar-2013 12:47 am (UTC)
I think a lot of that had to do the the boys being smart and competent.

I noticed that too, and I really liked to see this.

Dean's final speech killed me, too.
3rd-Mar-2013 03:15 pm (UTC)
Hey,

Dean's final speech was just wonderful. I get shivers every time I watch it. <33
1st-Mar-2013 01:47 am (UTC)
If they are foreshadowing Amelia's pregnancy, so help me god...
3rd-Mar-2013 03:17 pm (UTC)
Oh lordy... you know how to make a connection.

(though I think I might just squeal if they do go down this route simply because we picked it!).xx
1st-Mar-2013 01:58 am (UTC)
*ignores Amelia pregnancy mention above* lalalala, who??

I liked this one too, the boys were back to being smart and competent and Dean was wandering around in his underwear and the dead guy robe and making heartfelt pleas for Cas to look after his 'little brother', and that's easily enough to make me happy. I also like that Sam confided his fear to Dean, let himself be vulnerable instead of keeping such a stiff upper lip like I was afraid the writers would do. He may not be saying hey, I'm bleeding every time I brush my teeth, but he's not pretending to be invulnerable either.

I'm worried about the return of Cas to regular status too - I like the character, but don't always like his story lines. And really, I'm happiest when it's all about the brothers. I know you're shocked :)
3rd-Mar-2013 03:21 pm (UTC)
Ha! If we get a Sam baby I'm not sure whether I would laugh or cry...

And yes to all you said. They actually went to places I worried they wouldn't go. I watch each ep with a little bit of trepidation knowing what we had earlier in the season. After 6 eps I want to feel we are in the clear. But I just don't trust them quite yet....

I'm happiest when it's all about the brothers. I know you're shocked :)

Hee...totally shocked! And I'm with you 100%. I love nearly all secondary characters, as long as they support the SamnDeanness of the show...;))
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