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15th-Mar-2013 01:17 pm
Thinky thougts
I wonder if it's deliberate that Sam doesn't haven't any male friends.

I mean, I figure he had good friends at college (we know there was Zach and Brady), but we've never seen him with a male "buddy" like we have Dean. We see Dean bonding with other males - Bobby, Gordon, Frank, Cas, Garth, Benny and even John, but Sam is seen as either butting heads with them or being downright enemies of them (Lucifer, Walt, Roy, Gordon, Kubrick, Greedy).

I know that Sam was close to Bobby but not in the same way that Dean was. Same with Garth and Cas. Both Garth and Cas attached themselves to Dean first, then got to know Sam. I figure they are as close to "friends" as Sam has in the show, but they're not just his friends.

I wonder if that's because Dean fulfils that role completely? Maybe Sam doesn't need anyone else (whereas Dean possibly does?).

I'm sure not if this is because there's never been a story line that has allowed Sam to develop a male friendship or because they have deliberately made this part of Sam's character (like his disastrous relationships with women).

It's not a complaint - just an observation.

Hmmm. *hugs* Sam. Maybe books are his other companion.

This is what happens when I enjoy a day off (yay back to 4 days a week!) and get my hair done. :)

I hope they don't use Cas to miraculously "fix" Sam this time. Surely the effects of these trials can't be fixed with a mere touch to the head (I mean, they could if they wanted them to be, but I hope they can't).

That is all. :)
15th-Mar-2013 07:36 am (UTC)
I think Sam did have male friendships in the early seasons, when they were still doing the whole 'psychic children' thing. He was able to bond with the likes of Max, Andy and Jake over their shared experiences in a way that Dean couldn't. Jake in particular strikes me as a sort of 'Gordon-esque' figure for Sam, in that the two of them clearly got on and understood each other - and then ended up in conflict.

There's also After-School Special, which shows little Sam developing a close bond with another kid and a bit of hero worship for a male teacher. There are the Campbells, too, because they were much more Sam's people than Dean's, but I'm not sure how much that counts, given that Sam's behaviour was abnormal there pretty much by definition. But he and Samuel were a pair for a while.

But, yeah, I think there's a combination of things here - that Sam is more naturally reserved than Dean, that his friendships seem to have ended catastrophically even more often than Dean's (which is impressive, considering), that he has often been led to doubt his own nature and therefore withdrawn, and that in some cases where Dean has been let down late in a friendship, Sam has been let downright away (Castiel, say, turned on Dean eventually, but acted like Sam was a piece of dirt the first time they met).
15th-Mar-2013 12:14 pm (UTC)
I had forgotten about Andy, Max and Jake. And you're right, he did connect with those guys through a share experience.

I always think of Sam as being the one to connect with people - and it's probably from those early relationships that make me think like that. It's just when I stopped to think about who Sam could turn to if he wanted to talk to someone that wasn't Dean I came up blank.

I also think it's perfectly right that we saw Sam bond with friends in school and makes it more poignant that we don't see him with "friends" now. Whereas I imagine it might have been opposite for Dean - he would never have taken the time to make good friends because he knew he'd be moving on.

The missyjack mentions Kevin, who I suppose Sam might consider a friend (maybe?).

And, tbh, I pretty much blank out anything that soulless!Sam did because I in my mind it wasn't Sam. /o\ Though his relationship with the Campbells is interesting. I wouldn't have said that was mateship, but he did turn to them when he was Dean-less.

and that in some cases where Dean has been let down late in a friendship

Oh yes. I think there could be some very interesting meta written about Dean and friendship. I am particularly interested in Dean and Benny. I think they got that combination so right - I am really curious to see where they take that from here.

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