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15th-Mar-2013 01:17 pm
Thinky thougts
I wonder if it's deliberate that Sam doesn't haven't any male friends.

I mean, I figure he had good friends at college (we know there was Zach and Brady), but we've never seen him with a male "buddy" like we have Dean. We see Dean bonding with other males - Bobby, Gordon, Frank, Cas, Garth, Benny and even John, but Sam is seen as either butting heads with them or being downright enemies of them (Lucifer, Walt, Roy, Gordon, Kubrick, Greedy).

I know that Sam was close to Bobby but not in the same way that Dean was. Same with Garth and Cas. Both Garth and Cas attached themselves to Dean first, then got to know Sam. I figure they are as close to "friends" as Sam has in the show, but they're not just his friends.

I wonder if that's because Dean fulfils that role completely? Maybe Sam doesn't need anyone else (whereas Dean possibly does?).

I'm sure not if this is because there's never been a story line that has allowed Sam to develop a male friendship or because they have deliberately made this part of Sam's character (like his disastrous relationships with women).

It's not a complaint - just an observation.

Hmmm. *hugs* Sam. Maybe books are his other companion.

This is what happens when I enjoy a day off (yay back to 4 days a week!) and get my hair done. :)

I hope they don't use Cas to miraculously "fix" Sam this time. Surely the effects of these trials can't be fixed with a mere touch to the head (I mean, they could if they wanted them to be, but I hope they can't).

That is all. :)
15th-Mar-2013 07:47 am (UTC)
My take on the boys friendship patterns, has been that they look different for a few reasons – one being that maybe Sam had the chance to form more normal friendships at school and at college, while Dean didn't really have that – he was hunting most of it. At school I think Dean probably mainly had (fleeting) connections with girls, because they were the easier ones for him to form.

I think this partly led to Dean maybe diving in more quickly to intimacy with people, partly because he never knew how long those people would be around.

I think maybe another difference is that Sam's sense of self is more internally formed, whereas Dean derives his from how he thinks other people see him.

Post Stanford there hasn't been much chance for either to form friendships. Of course when Dean was bonding with Cas, Sam had Ruby. And when Dean met Garth, Sam had Becky. Sam did of course, even sans soul, hook-up with the Campbells.

This season started with a particular point being made about Sam making friends with the family who ran the motel. And I would certainly say that Sam is as close to Kevin as Dean is.

For me, I see both Sam and Dean as being capable of both functional friendships and romantic relationships, in the right circumstances. Which makes it even more tragic that their life works to precludes these, but also more wonderful that having these options they choose each other.
15th-Mar-2013 03:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, these are all good points. I like the way they have shown the different ways the boys form friendships and the development over the seasons.

I didn't consider Kevin or the Campbells I have to admit. I suppose I don't think of the Campbells as actual friends (and I never know how to take anything that Soulless!Sam did or experienced as I find it hard to connect him with actual Sam). I suppose Kevin is a friend - though I think he's yet to cross over to that real buddy or mate. Though I think they are perhaps developing that.

I was thinking about this because I was pondering Dean and Benny's friendship (which I think has been really well developed) and then I thought about who Sam has that's like that.

Which makes it even more tragic that their life works to precludes these, but also more wonderful that having these options they choose each other.

Very much so. :)))))
15th-Mar-2013 11:26 pm (UTC)
Well I think this season Amelia was the analogue to Benny. I think the poitn was made that Sam and Amelia were in an emotional "purgatory" and similar to Dean and Benny bonded as two people battling the same thing - brothers in arms against grief as it were.
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16th-Mar-2013 02:02 am (UTC)
Which is why I think it's easier for Dean to interact with almost all of the secondary characters. He does so out of necessity, whether for the hunter or for previous use, where as Sam is more emotional, for example like Kevin he is trying to almost 'guide' Kevin very similarly like he did Adam.
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