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15th-Mar-2013 01:17 pm
Thinky thougts
I wonder if it's deliberate that Sam doesn't haven't any male friends.

I mean, I figure he had good friends at college (we know there was Zach and Brady), but we've never seen him with a male "buddy" like we have Dean. We see Dean bonding with other males - Bobby, Gordon, Frank, Cas, Garth, Benny and even John, but Sam is seen as either butting heads with them or being downright enemies of them (Lucifer, Walt, Roy, Gordon, Kubrick, Greedy).

I know that Sam was close to Bobby but not in the same way that Dean was. Same with Garth and Cas. Both Garth and Cas attached themselves to Dean first, then got to know Sam. I figure they are as close to "friends" as Sam has in the show, but they're not just his friends.

I wonder if that's because Dean fulfils that role completely? Maybe Sam doesn't need anyone else (whereas Dean possibly does?).

I'm sure not if this is because there's never been a story line that has allowed Sam to develop a male friendship or because they have deliberately made this part of Sam's character (like his disastrous relationships with women).

It's not a complaint - just an observation.

Hmmm. *hugs* Sam. Maybe books are his other companion.

This is what happens when I enjoy a day off (yay back to 4 days a week!) and get my hair done. :)

I hope they don't use Cas to miraculously "fix" Sam this time. Surely the effects of these trials can't be fixed with a mere touch to the head (I mean, they could if they wanted them to be, but I hope they can't).

That is all. :)
15th-Mar-2013 09:15 pm (UTC)
Sam's lack of friendships with men - or women - on the show other than Dean *is* a sore spot and a complaint for me. If we ignore the blatant fanservice to the Dean Show fans (which a great majority of the fandom happily does) I have to say that it has always rubbed me wrong how fans go on and on and ON about how Dean only having Sam for a relationship is so unhealthy, but nobody every says that Sam just having Dean is unhealthy. Which just goes back to meta esorlehcar (on lj) and weecesting on tumblr have written about how Sam is being written as the female lead of the show. And then it makes sense because we all know how misogynistic the show AND the fandom are. So of course Sam has no one else because he has Dean, what else could he need? What else does a woman need but a man? But Sam is never enough for Dean, and frankly it's selfish for Sam to expect Dean not to have relationships with everyone else on the show. And it's not going to get fixed because the fans give the show too much credit, as this post does, and just try and write meta and shape Sam's personality to "Sam just doesn't like having friends". "Sam just prefers to be alone". And it works because the show gives us so little about Sam as a person (therefore making it easy to write Sam meta that's "canonical"), he's just a passive, reactive prop, mostly to Dean, sometimes to a secondary character. Ha, I might as well say ANOTHER secondary character because that's basically what Sam is. It's just a vicious cycle and since we're in S8 of 10 seasons, it's never getting fixed, both because it's gotten this far and no one even cares, and because the fans of Sam that are left in this fandom seem to happy to eat the shit and then try and meta about why it's a culinary masterpiece of Sam characterization.
16th-Mar-2013 02:15 pm (UTC)
I'm not really sure how to respond to this as I can't really agree with it. I appreciate your viewpoint of course, but, as a die hard Sam!gal, I've never felt that Sam has been treated as a secondary character. In fact, of the two, I think Sam has been given the more rich and varied journey. I think Sam and Dean are very different and therefore have to be treated differently. There's no doubt it would be good to see both characters move forward but with 1, if not 2, seasons more to come they need to keep some of their issues open for them. Whether everything will be "fixed" in that time it's hard to say but I think it leaves options open.

I think their relationship with each other is very unhealthy - for both of them - but for me that's what makes them so compelling. The show has to be about the two of them so they have to keep finding ways to keep them together. I admit that sometimes they get that wrong (*yikes* the beginning of this season) but , for me, they mostly get it right. I feel that Sam not having many male friends is part of his charactisation and as many have pointed out here there are good reasons for that.

I most certainly can't get into any character bashing because it's not what I'm here for. I can get mighty pissed off with the show at times but I've never felt one character is given more than the other. And I love both characters equally - just in different ways. :)
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