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2nd-Aug-2013 09:21 pm
Oh yeah
So. For a change, I thought I'd talk about Supernatural - because, you know, I CAN'T HELP MYSELF!

I've been checking out all the spoilers because I NEEDS to know stuff!

To be honest there hasn't really been anything that earth shattering or (too!) controversial. Nothing quite like last year's..."Sam doesn't look for Dean because...you know...he finally had a chance at a normal life..." (whaaaaaa!!!)

Instead we've got...



Confirmation that the boys will be on the same page - that they'll be working together. The brothers chose each other at the end of S8 and that's where it'll be picked up. But not without serious consequences.

I gotta say I'm pretty happy about this - mostly that we won't be leaping ahead 4 months (or a year!) and we see that Sam somehow is healed and the trials (the effect they had on Sam and that the Winchesters failed to do something that would have potentially benefitted the world) meant nothing. Instead it'll not only mean something it will be driving the beginning of the season. \o/

Something that did create a bit of a stir (from what I've seen) is the reveal that Dean will be keeping a secret from Sam. It seems like it will be a pretty big secret and one that may cause issues down the track for them.

I'm not worried about this I have to say. There's always been something going on between them. I know "secrets" can be a little frustrating and surely the brothers have learned that it's not a good idea to keep them - but they usually exist because one is protecting the other in some way. Or one doesn't what the other to know their true feelings - it would mean exposing a weakness. Until we actually know what this secret is I don't think we can spend too much time complaining about it. I am so damn curious though! I hope it's awesome! (can it beat Dean having to kill Sam from S2?!)

I admit that the main reason I'm trolling spoilers is to know what they plan to do with Cas. I fluctuate between being a little bit excited about the possibilities of him being human and being terrified that I'm going to hate what they do with him.

I am working really (really!!) hard to just accept that he'll be around a lot in S9 (and probably until the end of the series) and trying to not let that get me down. I desperately want to like him and I know that so much of that will depend on what direction they'll take this season. From what I've heard I think he'll be the comic relief for a bit (discovering eating and toilets and washing etc) and that might be fun - as long as they don't drag the joke on for too long. I actually really love to see him develop into a solid 3 dimensional character - a strong, independent character who maybe starts to discover something in him that will one day make him a better angel.

No doubt the Winchesters will have a hand in helping him be human, but I hope that he doesn't end up following them around like a lost puppy. I dunno. TBH, I'm not sure exactly what I really want to see (except some more Sam and Cas moments would be kinda nice and maybe Cas discovering what it means to be love is. I really liked the Meg and Cas moments in the past so I think Cas finding earthly love would be interesting. And why do I think that Cas will reeeeaally like sex?! ;) (do we have issues with Jimmy being trapped inside Cas? If Cas has sex is that non consensual use of Jimmy's body?...*sore head*)

I read that it will be more character driven this season. That's both good and...er worrying. I really don't watch the show for major character story lines (I has enough of the soap at the beginning of last season). I like that it's a genre show and I want it to continue to be driven by MoTW stories. I still want action, mysteries and adventure (and blood splatters!), interwoven with some small (but strong!) character scenes.

That's not to say that I don't want strong character arcs (and not just from Sam and Dean) that carry through the whole season. I want something that they do in the beginning of the season to mean something by the end (compared to S8 where we had two separate halves). I wants lessons to be learned and discoveries to be made, but not at the expense of good story telling.

We'll learn more about the Men of Letters (yay!) and see some old characters return.

The return of Bobby puzzles me I have to admit. I'm not unhappy about it, but it feels like some sort of reset. A bit like...ooh, we really didn't mean (or want) to get rid of Bobby, we only did that for the emotional drama. We did that, so now let's bring him back. Seems strange so I hope they do it well.

Everybody interviewed seems pretty pumped and excited about the season - Jared particularly. He was practically jumping out of his seat wanting to give us information about what's going on with Sam. He keeps saying the fans are going to love it. This will either mean Jared knows what fans love (and I have no idea how, considering how different we all are!) or he only thinks he knows what we like seeing (not Sam as "other" pleeeasse...).

The only other thing I'm hoping for is something interesting to be happening for (or to) Dean. Perhaps something outside Cas or Sam. I'm not sure what, but just something. Something that tests Dean (and Jensen!).



Only 2 more months to wait! The fact that that seems like a long time means I still damn invested in this damn show.
Comments 
2nd-Aug-2013 01:57 pm (UTC)
I seem to remember Jared being all pumped about either last season or the one before - he said a lot of stuff that turned out to be totally or partially wrong in the end. I think it's just in his nature to be all excited about everything, like the huge enthusiastic puppy that he is. Bless his little cotton socks. So I'm taking everything he says with a Jared-sized pinch of salt...

Otherwise, I'm pretty much sitting alongside you in my feelings about Season 9 - I like Cas but want something more than him being a hapless idiot abroad, while not wanting too much of the season to be about Castiel at all. I think it's a case of wanting my cake and eating it too.
2nd-Aug-2013 07:02 pm (UTC)
I don't think it was last season. Even Jared seemed subdued by the idea that Sam didn't look for Dean. He was positive about Amelia, but he is an optimist and maybe he thought it would play out better than it did. I think he was excited about season seven, but so was I at first. Sam actually not being sane and suffering from the broken Hell wall had great potential. I don't think anyone, Jared included, expected it to turn into a season of squeezing his hand.
2nd-Aug-2013 02:05 pm (UTC)
One quick drive-by comment...

My take on the Cas-Jimmy situation is that Cas has been "put back together" enough times that we can safely assume that:
1) It's not Jimmy's body, but a re-creation; and
2) Jimmy left the building a long time ago.

So, no drama there for me!
2nd-Aug-2013 11:40 pm (UTC)
Cool! I like both of these. My head canon is that Jimmy died ages ago (no way he could have survived everything his body has been through).
2nd-Aug-2013 02:35 pm (UTC)
Agreed 1000% with everything.

Confirmation that the boys will be on the same page - that they'll be working together. The brothers chose each other at the end of S8 and that's where it'll be picked up. But not without serious consequences.

"The brothers chose each other." Oooh, YES. Not the rest of the world, not Amelia or Benny or Castiel, but each other. Which is really why we watch the darn show, isn't it? They'll deal with the "serious consequences" because they're Sam and Dean and that's what they do.

the reveal that Dean will be keeping a secret from Sam. It seems like it will be a pretty big secret and one that may cause issues down the track for them.

Something to do with Sam's "cure," maybe? Dean perhaps did something he shouldn't have to get his baby brother healthy again? Or perhaps a Purgatory after-effect surfacing in Dean? (Wishful thinking on my part, as I haven't yet forgiven them for not following through on that.) I only hope that the issues caused aren't TOO big, and that they don't end up (however temporarily) separating after the truth comes out.

love to see him develop into a solid 3 dimensional character - a strong, independent character who maybe starts to discover something in him that will one day make him a better angel.

OMG, THIS. He started out as a brilliant character -- if they're just going to keep him around for stupid human tricks like S8's egg-breaking scene -- jesus, just kill him off and be done with it. Castiel was a badass soldier who commanded respect. Dump the comic relief & "profound bond" crap and give him back the level of awesome he had when he walked through those barn doors in 4.01.

I want it to continue to be driven by MoTW stories. I still want action, mysteries and adventure (and blood splatters!), interwoven with some small (but strong!) character scenes.

This. SPN has had some awesome mytharc episodes, but its heart lies within the MoTW stories. Saving people, hunting things -- it's what they DO. Also, BRING BACK ABADDON -- in the same meatsuit, thank you very much. Alaina Huffman was awesome.

Perhaps something outside Cas or Sam. I'm not sure what, but just something. Something that tests Dean (and Jensen!).

This, right here. Dean hasn't really been put to the test for a long, long time. Sam and Cas aren't the only people in Dean's life. (Sam is definitely the most important person, but he's not the only one. I would LOVE to see Dean interacting with Benny again.) And yeah, give Jensen a chance to stretch his acting wings instead of the same old same old.

. . . ooo. Sorry for the tl;dr! I get a little . . . passionate about my show. ;)
2nd-Aug-2013 11:51 pm (UTC)
Which is really why we watch the darn show, isn't it?

Amen sister! :)

Something to do with Sam's "cure," maybe?

That's what I'm thinking. It's either something Dean knows about Sam and is not telling him, or something Dean did to cure Sam (I'm hoping the latter - to up the angst stakes). Oh and I'd love more to come out about Purgatory, but I feel that one won't be revisited (unless he some how ends up there again and something else surfaces). I'd love an ep where they both end up there and they have to survive the episode on their wits and hunting skills alone - Dean showcasing his awesome purgatory survival skills.

Castiel was a badass soldier who commanded respect.

Yes! Man, he was so cool when he first arrived. Unfortunately, I think we are going to be getting an even "weaker" and childlike Cas because he will be out of his depth as a human. So - more egg breaking because, apparently, after being on earth for as long as he has as an angel he hasn't observed human behaviour at all.

Though - if they allow his to take off that coat I am already going to be a happy gal. I'd love to watch Misha without that coat on. He's actually a good looking dude! (hee...you can probs tell I have no love for that coat /o\).

Also, BRING BACK ABADDON -- in the same meatsuit, thank you very much. Alaina Huffman was awesome.

OH YES YES! *guh* she was awesome so I truly hope they can find a way to have her return. Which - if they can find a way to bring back Bobby - they can find a way to bring back her!

I get a little . . . passionate about my show. ;)

You and me both honey!! \o/
2nd-Aug-2013 02:49 pm (UTC)
I gave up on entirely avoiding spoilers. I spend too much time looking a tumblr to avoid them. I'm glad Jared thinks we'll like what's going on with Sam. He seems to have a pretty good feel for what's good for Sam. I want to see the wrecked fallout of Sam quitting the trials.

So Dean has a secret from Sam. It's as much a part of SPN as rock salt and the Impala. I hope they give Jensen something to reach for too.

I hope they do more with Cas than just comic relief, especially if their idea of funny is him trying to buy pie for Dean like in one of the last S8 episodes. I just hope they get a handle on what they want the character to be. Some sort of logical character progression would be nice.

I really want Crowley to stay his crafty, snarky self. I like him as a more ambiguous character like S5 - S7 where we don't know exactly where his loyalties lie.

I have really mixed feelings about a return of Bobby. Have I mentioned I really miss Bobby? I've really missed him but it feels weird for him to come back for anything other than a flashback. Maybe he escaped Heaven when Metatron gave the angels the boot. If they do bring him back, I hope we're not expected to suspend disbelief on the disbelief we've already suspended.

Mostly I hope the writers can get some agreement on where the plot is going and who the characters are. Last season seemed to be all over the map with both. I am totally geeked about the batcave and hope we get some more cool motels. I'm so ready for S9.
2nd-Aug-2013 11:58 pm (UTC)
I really want Crowley to stay his crafty, snarky self. I like him as a more ambiguous character like S5 - S7 where we don't know exactly where his loyalties lie.

Hmmm..Crowley. It'll be interesting to see what they do with him because I suspect he will have had to have changed somewhat after his *almost* cure. I like him when he's clever and snarky (not brutish like most of last season). I think there's more opportunity here to play him as ambiguous because we really won't know how much of him has changed.

I hope we're not expected to suspend disbelief on the disbelief we've already suspended.

Hahaha - I think that should be the show's motto or something. I spend most of my watching time suspending my already suspended disbelief (that start as soon as Dean went to hell).

Mostly I hope the writers can get some agreement on where the plot is going and who the characters are

From what I've heard this is the case. They've gone in knowing they have at least 2 more seasons (and maybe more if fans demand it). I heard that 9 scripts have already been written and the season planned out. That's good news I think (I hope!).

And yay more cool motels! (oh man, speaking of I really need to get cracking on S7 & S8.../o\)

xoxo
2nd-Aug-2013 03:40 pm (UTC)
I gotta say I'm pretty happy about this - mostly that we won't be leaping ahead 4 months (or a year!) and we see that Sam somehow is healed and the trials (the effect they had on Sam and that the Winchesters failed to do something that would have potentially benefitted the world) meant nothing. Instead it'll not only mean something it will be driving the beginning of the season. \o/

YES. This is one thing I'm really happy about, too. I was getting tired of the time jumps - they almost seem like a copout to me. But more importantly, I'm glad that they're not just sweeping Sam's illness under the rug. Sure, it sounds like he'll get better pretty quickly, but at least it will be addressed... and, from what it sounds, in a big way.

Honestly, as much as some fans have been carping about it already, I'm not too bothered by the whole "brothers keeping secrets from each other" thing either.

I'm trying to think positive about what they'll do with Cas. Hopefully it won't just be a ton of fanservice to please certain factions of fandom and it won't be all played up for jokes or mess with canon. *crossing fingers*

I feel the same way about the return of Bobby. Really hope it won't be a big reset button!
3rd-Aug-2013 12:41 am (UTC)
I've never quite understood the "year later" time jump - especially as they don't adhere to the time frame at all (should be something like 2015 in their 'verse). In the both cases that they used the "one year later" the actual 4 months that had really passed would have been enough I reckon (soulless!Sam and purgatory stories).

2nd-Aug-2013 03:57 pm (UTC)
I think I've sort of shifted my relationship with canon to the point where I look on it more like a jumble sale where you sort through eight tables and come up with an interesting lamp and a series of books by a novelist you read a mention of once who turns out to be really cool, and you just pick those things out of the sea of butter dishes and count it as profit. Based on s8, I just don't find Carver very impressive as a storyteller -- the bits that I found interesting, like the dynamics of Dean, Cas, and Benny in purgatory and Sam and Amelia's relationship, tended to be undermined rather than strengthened by the narrative use they were put to, the frankly silly Don plot and letting Benny go from a potentially interesting factor in plot and worldbuilding to his dull, emo, tropey earth self. But some of the character stuff is still interesting, though I find I have to tune out Carver's take on it in interviews.

The thing I'm most worried will be a complete washout for me in s9 is Cas, because I dig alien, different morality, dangerously powerful angel Cas, and it seems my chances of getting that side of him are about zero. But I actually like the Dean lying to Sam spoiler, because I think there are issues they need to work out with the ways Dean lies to people he loves when trying to protect them and ends up undermining them (I've given up on their ever resolving this re: Lisa and Ben, but a nod in that direction would be nice), and I like what Jared seems to be hinting about Sam's story -- it sounds like it could be weird but not woobie, and I'd be very up for that. Other than that, I hope they will use the batcave in some plotty way as well as for a research resource, and I'd like to see Dean doing more interacting with Death, though I guess Death is one of those characters most effective used sparingly. I hope the Bobby return is temporary; I don't think Sam and Dean need a father figure or a hunting mentor at this point, and I don't think the worldbuilding needs any more softening. I'd love to see Aaron and the golem again, but I'm afraid Edlund's departure makes that less likely.
2nd-Aug-2013 07:12 pm (UTC)
Oh Aaron and the Golem - I'd love more of them, and Kevin and Crowley - but yeah, I was forgetting no more Edlund... :(
2nd-Aug-2013 03:59 pm (UTC)
I am trying to muster up some enthusiasm for S9, but it's just not happening. I find most of the spoilers (and theories) I've heard about so far pretty discouraging. It's either repetitive or boring, and since I lost any trust in the writers, even things that could potentially be interesting only seem to hold the promise of more screw-ups by the creative team. Sorry, that I am so negative. I hope things'll get better when I actually see the final product.
3rd-Aug-2013 01:03 am (UTC)
Yeah I get it. I keep thinking it'll hit me one day - I'll just not be that enthused for excited for the show. But it just hasn't happened yet. I am aware of how messy it all is now and the canon is so dense that they keep losing track of it (surely they could employ a fan to keep them on track! Or check the Wiki more regularly).

As someone says below..I'm watching for their faces. Hee.. I know it's more than that, but mostly yeah. As long as the brothers are still on my screen I'm still gonna be hooked.
2nd-Aug-2013 04:11 pm (UTC)
It was reported on a few gossip coms that Jared *was* unhappy with the Amelia/Sam didn't look for Dean story line, and that he determined to look on it as an acting challenge more than anything. There's no doubt he was waaaaay more enthusiastic about the whole trial arc at cons, and I am personally choosing to give Jared's enthusiasm for season 9 the benefit of the doubt this time around and join in!

I love that we're starting off right after the end of season 8, and like you the secret does not really bother me this time around. I'm sure it's going to be something Dean does in protective big brother mode to make Sam well again. Since Sam is supposedly going to be still sick in episode 1, yet looks fine in stills from episode 2.

Also, like you I am wary of Castile's involvement. It's going to be a lot and I just wish I wasn't as done with the angels as I am.
2nd-Aug-2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
Jared seems way more excited about this season than I can remember in the past. I...don't know what that means, given some of the things he's said he'd like to see for Sam (evil!sam is very much on my DNW list), but I'm encouraged that a lot of the brothers being committed to each other comments have come from him.
2nd-Aug-2013 04:36 pm (UTC)
The fact that we're actually getting a poop scene for Cas makes me wary of pretty much his entire storyline in S9 lol. Of course, my expectations of Carver/Singer and their rather light writing bench are so low, that I'm in it for J2's faces and the LOLs at this point :P
2nd-Aug-2013 04:45 pm (UTC)
*politely butts in*

we're actually getting a poop scene for Cas

WAT. O_o
2nd-Aug-2013 07:08 pm (UTC)
I too would like to like Cas. However, comic relief Cas is my LEAST favorite Cas. And the projected "now I have to eat and poop" story is just embarrassing. I do think that there has been a continuing problem of not knowing what to do with Cas. SG had the best idea by making him an antagonist, but then that got taken away and JC made him a woobie antagonist. If they allow Cas to actually talk to Sam it would help immensely, but that would upset the part of the fandom that sees Cas as belonging to Dean, so I'm not holding my breath.
2nd-Aug-2013 07:55 pm (UTC)
Yeah, exactly this. They should've had the balls to follow through on Cas as the antagonist, and if they didn't, they should never have started down that road at all. All it did was let him fuck up without any consequences. You know, again. But I suppose if they hadn't started down that road, they wouldd have had even less idea what to do with him, so...

And the problem, as you say, is compounded by the issue of only making him about dean. It's not workable to try to integrate him into the show and not integrate him into both their lives. Especially when cas's actions, I would argue, have impacted more on Sam than on dean. Letting Sam out of the panic room. Bringing him back without a soul and letting him wander around for a year. Breaking his wall. And, to give him a tiny bit of credit, helping to fix that damage. To have him do all that, to have Sam repeatedly reach out and forgive him, and for Cas to *still* treat him almost exactly like he did in S4 when he thought he was the antichrist or whatever...I don't know how we're supposed to find him likeable. And since they seem intent on not making him interesting, failing to make him likeable is an issue.

In conclusion, I still have all the castiel rage, and the show does nothing to temper it.
2nd-Aug-2013 07:20 pm (UTC)
I am on the same page as you and the others who've left comments.

I thought it was a given that the big secret is that Dean know why Sam's better? I didn't realise it's speculation?

Comedic Cas stopped being funny when they introduced other angels who knew how human beings interacted and functioned. Comedic Cas is an insult. I do not find him amusing in the least. I can, however, tolerate badass!Cas.
2nd-Aug-2013 08:20 pm (UTC)
I totally agree about comic Cas. When they state that Balthazar left heaven after Cas was sent to "angel camp" and then Balty knows all about idioms and colloquialisms while Cas remains baffled, then Cas come off looking like a "special" angel and in the "rides the short bus" way, not at brave and true way. It's one of my biggest complaints about Cas.
2nd-Aug-2013 09:32 pm (UTC)
Hiya!

I'm a spoilerphobe but I've peeked a wee bit to assuage any fears of a s8 repeat. And I also wanted to tell you that I just finished s8 and I'm loving it again. I don't know if that's because the first half of s8 set the bar so low the second felt great by comparison, but whatever, I'll take it! :) I'm so happy to have my show back.

So I've seen an interview with Jensen and one with Jared from Comic Con, and read your spoiler summary here, and I LIKE IT! Jared does seem genuinely happy this time, which is very encouraging. (Last fall I felt like his positive attitude was forced, which turned out to be true. I just found out he later said he felt it was very OOC for Sam to not look for Dean and that the Amelia storyline was weak and didn't fit well with Sam's character. JOIN THE CLUB, JARED!)

I'm really happy to hear the brothers will be on the same page. Jared made a really great point in the interview I saw, that the brothers didn't just choose each other over Amelia and Benny, for the first time the brothers chose each other "over the job." They didn't go through with the mission of closing the gates of hell, they didn't make the sacrifice and let death separate them this time. And I really love that, and loved the awesome emotional scene at the end of the finale, and the twist that they didn't do what they were working for all season, they went another way at the last second, deciding to save themselves, and try to save the demons too. (I will give Carver props for this.)

As for Castiel, I find him highly entertaining when it comes to fish-out-of-water comedy, so I hope they use him for comic relief. I don't think they'll make the mistake of having him tag along in the backseat of the Impala all the time. If you look at s8, they used Cas judiciously (and they actually wrote him in character all season.) He came and went, and he had his own side stories. Like you, I want them to develop his relationship with Sam--I've been saying this for ages. If he is to be part of the show and the family, they he should be fully integrated with all of the show and all of the family, and not just a stuck-on appendage jutting out of Dean's half. It made sense in s4 and even in s5 for him to be the angel on Dean's shoulder, but we're four seasons passed that now. And I'm so pissed they so cavalierly killed off Meg!!!! I loved Megstiel, it had a cool Batman/Catwoman vibe. But yeah, it would be nice if Cas had a relationship, it would really help develop him more as his own character.

As for Bobby, I'd love to have him back. It's been long enough now that I've felt everything I was going to feel about the loss of Bobby, so I don't feel like bringing him back would take away from the emotional impact of his death.

On my wishlist for s9 is taking better care of the female characters, and not treating them like they're completely unimportant and disposable. They get points for bringing back Charlie for two episodes (one of them being my favourite of the season.) But Mama Tran started off awesome, then quickly became incompetently meddlesome, then was cavalierly killed off camera. They briefly brought back Meg, but then also cavalierly killed her off without showing any reaction whatsoever to her death from Cas, who had feelings for her, or from the boys, when they had a long history with her and she had actually helped them on several occasions. They finally brought back Jody, but then within a couple minutes just discarded her like a bloody tissue on the bathroom floor. They didn't even give us a quick shot to show us she had actually survived the attempt to kill her. And I'm not even going to get into the whole Amelia thing. So I hope they bring back Jody at least, and treat her better--and if Bobby is back too, then I'd love me some Jody/Bobby!

Only 2 more months to wait! The fact that that seems like a long time means I still damn invested in this damn show.

Ha, I thought seeing as it took me so long to watch the second half of s8, that I would've escaped the long wait of Hellatus. But then I finished it a couple days ago and went Yay, that was awesome! I'm back into it and want more! Then quickly went What?! There's still so long to wait for more?!?!! Noooo!
3rd-Aug-2013 02:30 pm (UTC)
Hi!

It's great that you're back! The finale was pretty epic I thought and really did make up for the first half of the season. I did like that Carver gave us an awesome brother moment - I do feel confident that he's aware that the strength of the show comes from their relationship (even though he tore that apart in the first half of the season).

I'm not too keen on comic relief Cas myself - though if used well I don't mind it. ;)

And yes to all the female characters. I'm really disappointed with their treatment of Mama Tran. She started out so cool. I was sad to see Meg leave but at least they gave her a good writer for the episode she left. I thought Robbie Thompson did a good job of giving her character some depth before they killed her off.

Let's hope they bring Abdadon back - same actress. I thought she was pretty awesome. And Jody..and Charlie. :)

And I know! Soooo long to wait! BOO!
2nd-Aug-2013 09:47 pm (UTC)
And now that I've sounded off to so many of the comments, I should say I am excited about the things you are too. I like That they seem to be exploring the consequences of what happened at the end of season 8, and that they're all talking about the boys putting each other first. I particularly like that JC said that their relationship is stronger because of it.

I think jensen or Jared said Dean's secret was about Sam getting better, and I don't have a problem with dean doing crazy things to protect Sam. I've seen discontent over the secret keeping too, but you're right. That's always been a part of the show. Logically I would rather the story stayed focused on them and their relationship, and to do that they need at least some tension. Far rather the tension of Dean protecting Sam than them fighting because they're putting other people first, you know?

I am trying to reconcile myself to Cas. It, uh, remains a work in progress.
4th-Aug-2013 01:57 am (UTC)
Hi!

Yeah, I've long since accepted that they have to find something that the brothers need to be fighting about - or rather is creating tension. I just want it to be organic and not forced just for the sake of creating tension (like first half of S8). I think there are still a lot of issues between them that they can explore.

Hee..yes. A work in progress - for me too. ;)
3rd-Aug-2013 12:39 am (UTC)
It's nice to see other people who don't think Cas is the ALL of Supernatural. I enjoy him and all but the show for me is about the brothers.

I read somewhere that Dean's secret has to do with how Sam was better so quickly. My guess... Crowley and demon blood. (which I will just love love love to pieces).

When that rat bastard Metatron expelled the angels, my thought was immediately well Bobby's still in heaven. I wondered if he would be back because of that and yyup he's back. And I'm thrilled. Love crotchety Bobby

It's SPN so of course i'm excited.
But there are some things I am not excited about...

1. planted spin off- that is one less episode of the brothers (in any show i've never liked the planted spin off- I'm still trying to get over 2 wasted NCIS: LA episodes from last season)

2. one of the show runners said they were going to do the B and C story line plots this season. DO NOT LIKE. I just want the brothers. (But of course I guess there had to be concessions since Jensen has a new baby Jared as a new one on the way that will be born before they're through filming the season)
4th-Aug-2013 12:10 pm (UTC)
It's nice to see other people who don't think Cas is the ALL of Supernatural.

Oh there are people who think he is ALL of Supernatural? Hmm...kinda strange when it actually isn't...;)

My guess... Crowley and demon blood.

oooh, now that might be interesting. I wonder if Dean would actually give Sam demon blood in order to cure him. I think he might actually...That would be an interesting conundrum for him (and Sam). I like! :)


planted spin off- that is one less episode of the brothers

I understood that to be planted spin off character. I imagine the episode will still have the brothers in it but it will introduce the spin off character (and probably even the premise maybe). But I might be wrong? Hmmm...

And yeah - I think we'll have more on Bobby and Cas in terms of story lines. I don't mind them being part of what's going on with the brothers but I am usually a little bored when whole episodes focus on other character story lines (though I really did enjoy Weekend at Bobby's). I suppose it will depend what they do with them. I imagine the Js will be in it a little less as they are now both fathers.
3rd-Aug-2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Joining the club of trying hard to like Cas and be optimistic about how they'll use him as a regular this season. I don't hate the character, but too often he still seems shoehorned in. I agree that having him interact more with *both* brothers, not just Dean, would help. The learning-to-poop spoiler isn't helping my optimism much tho. I mean, really? He hasn't been around humans long enough to understand how they -- and every other animal on the planet - works?? :/

Never mind that tho. What has me excited is that both Jared and Jensen seem to delight in going on about how the brothers "chose each other" and "made a commitment to each other" and are "on the same page" and working together etc etc. They both seem genuinely relieved about that, and it makes me want to jump up and down every time I hear them sound as excited about it as I am. Please keep that going, writers! I don't mind Dean keeping secrets from Sam when it's to protect him, that can be excellent storytelling.

Hmmm. I guess I'm still pretty damn invested in Show too :)
4th-Aug-2013 12:15 pm (UTC)
He hasn't been around humans long enough to understand how they -- and every other animal on the planet - works?? :/

Yeah, that's the thing that I don't understand. I wonder what happened to the waste after he ate all those hamburgers? Maybe as an angel he just absorbed theor something.

What has me excited is that both Jared and Jensen seem to delight in going on about how the brothers "chose each other" and "made a commitment to each other" and are "on the same page" and working together etc etc.

Oh yes! They both seem so happy that they are FINALLY *g* starting a season on the same page - that they have made a commitment to each other over the job. I am SO excited to see that first episode because I think we'll get quite a lot of answers right away.

Bring it! :)

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