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9.04 episode reaction/review 
30th-Oct-2013 08:50 pm
Oh yeah
Before I start this I just gotta say a mighty big thank you for the recent discussion. You guys are A-MAZING! I feel blessed that I can talk about controversial stuff and it doesn't end in a slinging match and wankfest. <33

That totally ROCKED! It was one of those episodes that I felt like I could sit back and enjoy. I could rest my brain (and heart) and not have to worry about all the serious crap that's surrounding the boys at the moment (all the demon and angel stuff). Sure...the Zeke situation was there (and I'll get to that), but mostly it was just a delightful, entertaining, satisfying episode. Robbie Thompson - I loves ya!

Counting the ways:

1. I loved the idea of this episode - use an aspect of canon in SPN (the spn books) and tie it into other real life books. Wizard of Oz is a perfect choice - especially as it dealt with one of the main themes in this episode - home.

2. Before the season began we heard them talk about the batcave being a home to Dean but a work place for Sam. I LOVE that this episode really made it clear why Sam felt like that. It made my heart break a little with the realisation that he's too scared to call a place home. Bad things happen to any place he calls home. I adore that we got to actually see some of Sam's coping mechanisms - don't get attached to places (and people). We had some lovely little Sam moments in this one (and Dean one's too *g*).

3. Dean is just SO comfortable in the bat cave - I love it!! He cleaned the kitchen. <3 I love his concern for Charlie - of course he'd pick saving her over killing the witch. It's a good reminder (and mirror) of his decision in saving Sam's life. Dean can't lose people. Not on his watch.

4. I was so happy to see that flashback to Dean doing an inventory and linking it to this episode. Little canon moments like that make my heart squee.

5. I adore Charlie more and more. AND MORE! She's perfect in every way.

Aside; I have often wondered why we've never been shown a kind of Sam and Dean equivalent in female hunters. I know we had Jo and Ellen but I'm thinking more like sister hunters. During this episode I was thinking...FINALLY! Finally we have 2 wonderful female characters who could easily be sisters or partners. The Charlie & Dorothy pairing is inspired! (I truly hope we get to see more of those two).

6. The MoL bunker continues to fill me with utter glee. It's ridiculous in every possible way and I love it. It makes NO sense - but I don't care. Neither does this show so it works rather perfectly. THAT GARAGE!! AND THOSE VEHICLES!

7. Kevin and Cas. The thing I was most keen to see in the beginning of this episode is how they were going to pick up from where they left off from last week. I am actually glad we didn't end up seeing the conversation that must have occurred after Dean told Cas to leave. I think we can fill in those pieces ourselves. I think it still sucks that it was so sudden at the end of the last episode and I find it hard to believe that Sam would just accept that Cas felt he had to leave, but...*shrugs* I am just not invested enough in all that to be too concerned. I have no doubt that the next time we see Cas we'll get more of that story line. I think sending Kevin off packing made sense if they were asking Cas to leave and yay they have the bat cave to themselves again!!.

8. I did love watching Sam and Dean just be...well, Sam and Dean. Hunting evil, working together, Dean getting Sam Game of Thrones DVD (YAY!), being possessed together (squee!), chatting about Sam not "moving in" whilst in the middle of hunting, ALL THE STUFF! \o/

9. Hee. Crowley. Too bad, so sad. ;)

10. Dorothy's famous red shoes as a weapon! :DD FRIGGIN' OZ! (so cool!)

11. Dean and Zeke!Sam. It's such a huge cloud hanging over everything. Dean continues to call on Zeke (how interesting that he's taken to just saying his name and he's there) and seemingly not too bothered by the fact that he's still in Sam. I got a much better feeling that neither Zeke nor Sam are fully healed yet (though Sam looks VERY well and Zeke has obviously got some juice) - so some of the doubts I had after last week aren't so strong this week. We were given very little in the way of Zeke's intentions thoughand not much more in the way of how Dean is dealing with it all. He continues to lie and it's only a matter of time before he's caught out. I like that we got a little more on the whole situation but the heart of the episode was about having a home and a good old fashioned hunt.

The only thing I am really struggling to accept at the moment is why Dean doesn't tell Sam (aside from story telling aspect and needing to draw this secret out for a bit). I think maybe the longer it goes on, the harder it's becoming for Dean to say anything. He's probably waiting now for Sam to just figure it out. At least Sam has heard the name (and how creepy when Sam said "do you see someone else in here"...arghhhh). I just can't wait to see how this all plays out.

So yeah. Overall I was delighted with this one. Charlie always fills me with warmth and seeing the boys work together on a MoTW hunt was fab. The bunker is crazy and gorgeous and adds an element of class to everything. There were some great one-liners and lots of nice canon call backs.

And Sam feeling that maybe, just maybe he has a place to finally call home (which perhaps doesn't bode so well for the future...*meep* - how heartbreaking that might become when the shit hits the fan).
30th-Oct-2013 01:08 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you said. It was a great episode. One where I could just kick back and enjoy what was happening. The end, while sad for the boys, put a smile on my face, because you could just see the utter glee in Charlie's eyes. :)
30th-Oct-2013 10:45 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it was an easy watching one. Had some poignant moments, but mostly was an Adventure in the Bunker. :D
30th-Oct-2013 01:23 pm (UTC)
With you 500%. I LOVED this episode!

It's a good reminder (and mirror) of his decision in saving Sam's life. Dean can't lose people. Not on his watch.

Yes. Dean doesn't like losing strangers -- so of course he's going to save his family. What did he say to Sam, way back in S2, "The things I would do or kill for you and Dad . . ." He will do ANYTHING for those he cares for.
30th-Oct-2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
*nods* that boy has some serious issues when it comes to losing people. I'm not surprised of course...;)

30th-Oct-2013 01:46 pm (UTC)
Hi! Back from being on the road - I got to read all the wonderful discussion on your earlier post even if I didn't have the means to add my two cents.

Liked this episode very much too! (I ♥ Charlie!) Loved the discussion of home. I like that are progressing *toward* the Zeke angle getting revealed, using it a little but not gratuitously, and Sam getting more suspicious. I actually am fine with Dean continuing to keep it a secret - it's what they do. How many times did we want Sam to tell Dean about Ruby or the demon blood? I'm sure Dean is convinced that if he tells Sam before Sam is 100%, then Sam will eject Zeke and risk his recovery. (And while sure, he looks might fine now, he *is* getting an angelic assist.) The longer Dean doesn't speak up, too, the harder it gets.

Just makes me rub my hands in glee anticipating the mid-season glory.

(And the you had to go and mention the potential destruction of their home someday. Whimper...)
30th-Oct-2013 10:53 pm (UTC)
Hi honey!

I think Sam is slowly building up the clues to seeing that something is wrong. Or different. He just needs to start putting some of the pieces together. I can't imagine how they are going to drag it out for another 6 episodes (assuming ep 10 will be the hiatus). I would think something will have to give before then...

And I'm not sure that they actually destroy the bunker in the future (though, yeah...they might), but I was thinking more in that Sam won't be able to think the bunker as home when he discovers that Dean has done. If he sees it as betrayal the comfort he might get out of feeling like the bunker is home might be gone. For Sam I feel like he is experiences the calm before the storm.
30th-Oct-2013 02:15 pm (UTC)
I really wanted to like Charlie, but I just can't. Maybe she's a little too perfect -- cookie cutter geek girl. I get the feeling that Dean's attachment to her is that she is a reflection of who his little brother used to be -- brilliant and rebellious, tough and resourceful, full of hope and positivity. I think he wants to protect her from what's happened to Sam, but you can't protect people from themselves. I admittedly am troubled that Dean was willing to further compromise Sam's health to resurrect Charlie from the dead. I guess "what's dead should stay dead" doesn't apply to anyone anymore.

I did like Dorothy. She is kind of Charlie's Dean in a way. I hope things work out better for them than they have for the boys.
30th-Oct-2013 02:43 pm (UTC)
Just a quick fist bump with someone else who isn't that keen on Charlie! I know the SPN cast and crew are in love with Felicia and I'm sure she's a great person, but I just can't warm to this character at all somehow - and feel you've maybe hit the nail on the head there. Too much of a perfect geek girl and she feels like someone if she'd been written by a fanfic writer everyone would be shouting MARY SUE at the poor writer.
I don't hate her but I wouldn't be sorry never to see her again.
30th-Oct-2013 03:14 pm (UTC)
I really dug the first half, not so much the second but only because I felt it got a little silly and trite. I wanted to feel genuinely worried about what Crowley and the Wicked Witch got up to ... but didn't. I wanted Sam's discussion of 'home' to be a little more poignant ... it wasn't. Stabbing the Witch with a ruby stiletto? I don't think stilettos were even in fashion when the Wizard of Oz was written. I'd sooner have them shove her into the swimming pool (because in my head canon, there's a pool in the bunker!) and then she could melt. LIKE DOROTHY'S DAD SUGGESTED IN THE BOOK. (Dorothy was a heroine I could really get behind, though!) I wasn't keen on yet another resurrection but I did like that the Zeke thing is starting to unspool.

Overall, nice. Almost ... relaxing? My youngest son (who just turned 12) has taken to watching Show with me, and he cackled every time Crowley said "Bollocks!" So that was a win. ;) Perfectly acceptable filler ep. I'll give it a rewatch!

Edited at 2013-10-30 03:15 pm (UTC)
31st-Oct-2013 04:46 am (UTC)
I SO wanted her to be killed by water! That would have worked beautifully with the Oz story. It would have been the finishing touch that the episode needed. It was cheesy as it was, so there's no reason why we couldn't have had the witch mutter..."I'm meeeeeelting" as she died (no idea if those lines were in the book though).

And the bunker absolutely has a swimming pool. That place has EVERYTHING so why not a pool (I'm not even going to start on why they are only just finding these things now).

Little Zeke unravels are delicious and I figure we're just going to get little moments like that leading up to the big reveal. I figure that will be the hiatus cliffy - I can't imagine how they are going to let this drag out that long.

And yeah, solid filler ep. I really enjoyed not having to think too hard or be torn by emotion. I've always enjoyed the MoTW eps so when they come along that's instantly a positive for me.

30th-Oct-2013 03:58 pm (UTC)
It is quite possible that you're in my brain. ;) I really liked the episode and it's so awesome to go through my flist and see so many positive things said about this ep.
31st-Oct-2013 04:48 am (UTC)
Yay you too?! :D I've seen mixed reactions - mostly positive though. I think those who struggle with Charlie found it hard going. I think she fitted in with the feel of this episode.
30th-Oct-2013 04:35 pm (UTC)
Agree wholeheartedly! Fabulous romp through the batcave, and all the delicious glee of the red shoes as weapons, alternate Dorothy, Charlie being Charlie, Dean being domestic, Sam getting you in the feels with why he isn't.. just lovely stuff.
31st-Oct-2013 10:45 pm (UTC)
*nods* Just good old spn! (I think maybe with all the heavy thinky from the last eps, this one was nice to just be able to kick back and enjoy the fun).

30th-Oct-2013 04:53 pm (UTC)
A lovely episode, wasn't it? Very enjoyable to watch. ^_^
31st-Oct-2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
Very enjoyable indeed! :D

30th-Oct-2013 06:34 pm (UTC)
Red Shoes of Death! I always suspected that heels could be fatal. It was nice to have a respite from the drama of the last three episodes. I watched this while having an allergy scratch test so I will forever associate it with furious itching. I did think it was exceedingly cheesy but watchable. Poor Sam, he doesn't even get to sit on the bed in his own room. At least he has one and isn't sleeping in the library on a table or something. Interesting to find out that the rest of the unpublished Supernatural books are online. That must bring them up through Swan Song, I guess?

But enough about plot….they have a GARAGE with more CLASSIC CARS! I cannot contain my utmost glee, itchy or no. I don't even care if the bunker is one step beyond the fantastic.
31st-Oct-2013 11:00 pm (UTC)
Ha! Fatal heels (I think that any time I see a pair on my daughter!.

It was very cheesy and I have to admit that was part of it's charm for me. I felt it was a little tongue in cheek (almost Edlund style) and was a nice way to explore the bat cave.

That must bring them up through Swan Song, I guess?

I guess. So Chuck keep writing past the ep when he said he wouldn't (though I suspect the writers have forgotten that Chuck said he'd stop writing them).

ALL THOSE CLASSIC CARS! I wonder if we'll see them go for a ride in any. Especially love to see them on that bike!

And yep! The bunker is a magical, ridiculous, theme-park style place that I continue to love. Hee…I love that as big as it is they don't have a room for watching TV in. Though they were Sam's DVDs so maybe it had to be on his TV.

(ooh, a geeky aside, I'm currently compiling a list of all the TV shows and films Dean has mentioned over the years. After last weeks gaf on It's a Wonderful Life, I was curious to see what other references he's missed and just how many films he's watched. I'm up to S6 and it's a HEAP! I'm also checking to see if there are any "classics" (like IaWL). )

30th-Oct-2013 07:21 pm (UTC)
I LOVED this episode and am planning a rewatch asap. As for the Batcave....nothing better happen to it! seriously, I think I might go ape shit if something did!
31st-Oct-2013 11:03 pm (UTC)
Oh man, I hope nothing bad happens to the bunker. I love that place.

With my comment above I was thinking more that as soon as Sam feels like there's a place called home something (LIKE DEAN LYING TO HIM!) will destroy it and he'll feel like he can't stay there any more. I was thinking more his sense of home rather than the actual place being destroyed (though I wouldn't put it past them as something they might do one day).
30th-Oct-2013 07:27 pm (UTC)
i just dont know, i liked some scenes, some i didnt. im more worried about next tuesday becoming another 8x15-man's best friend
31st-Oct-2013 11:05 pm (UTC)
I did take a peek at next week's promo and I laughed out loud I have to say. I doubt very much it will end up being like that episode (unless it's the same writers -which I don't think it will be as they wrote last weeks episode). We shall see! :)
30th-Oct-2013 08:51 pm (UTC)
I just want to add...
Charlie is wearing a tartan shirt, jeans and a pink T. Totally the Winchester uniform all girlyfied.
31st-Oct-2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
Ha! Yes. The more I think about it the more I've liked the way we've seen her become a hunter. I mean, hunting isn't a good life so I hope she finds a way out of it that doesn't result in her dying (again).
31st-Oct-2013 02:33 am (UTC)
(so busy that I cannot remember if I already commented and too tired to dbl check, so hopefully I will not contradict myself!)

I also really loved this episode for most of the reasons you stated above. I recognized early on that the episode was cheesy and a bit on the unrealistic (in terms of SPN canon) side. But I enjoyed it so much that I did not even care. If I wanted to I could likely name 6-10 things that didn't necessary make sense in SPN canon world (such as Kevin being taken out of bunker after Dean just insisting like 1-2 eps before that he not leave, yada, yada). But again - didn't care. It was fun, silly, and I enjoyed it.
1st-Nov-2013 08:17 am (UTC)
Hee…no, only this comment. :)

And yeah, there are things in there that don't make sense (Kevin being a major one - and how they've never discovered the garage before, or how they let that jar of stuff knock over without noticing it etc etc), but I was too entertained with it all to worry too much. I'm trying to be less critical this season (except for really OOC stuff) - if the ep is entertaining and i'm not bored or eye rolling I will consider it a win. :))

31st-Oct-2013 10:08 am (UTC)
I'm torn on this one, parts were great, parts were not. Little things could have made a lot of difference, as often with SPN, just an added line here or there would have settled me down a lot. I know I'm not owed and I know editors can hack the shit out a scene if they're running long, I have to let my logical brain overrule my heart on this one, but not for long as it could likely cause a melt down if I try and study it at any length, but fluffy filler it was and as such I was entertained by it.

Still saddened that Dean finds Zeke more useful than Sam, basis of the whole melt down last year. Slightly perturbed over Sam using the "you had mom and dad" line on Dean, yes, Sam has lost every home he's tried to make for himself, but I also find it hard to think of his childhood being so much worse than Dean, a grieving child himself who always tried to shield Sam from the family horrors. Clumsy characterisation, these writers don't seem to have much of a grasp on nuances - but hey, it could have been worse!

The one thing though that disappointed me more than anything was my expectation that when the opened the doors to Oz, SPN would have put it's unique slant on it and they didn't. Maybe that's a copyright decision, but Dorothy insisted that the books were a fantasy based on a hard reality and I would have liked to have seen a much darker twist to "The Yellow Brick Road".

1st-Nov-2013 08:24 am (UTC)
Still saddened that Dean finds Zeke more useful than Sam

Yeah. this is concerning, especially when Sam makes a smart comment and he thinks it's Zeke (though, I suspect that was done purely for Sam's line about seeing another person in there).

And that's a good point about Sam's complaint about growing up. I was thinking that it was more about Sam never wanting to call something home because every time he does he has to move or something bad happens. I think Sam would have called quite a few places home (because John and Dean were there), but then he had to pack up and move so it wouldn't have been long before he stopped feeling like any place was home. though maybe that's just my interpretation of it. ;)

I was actually surprised when we saw the yellow brink road I have to say. I didn't think they'd take it so literally. I wasn't exactly disappointed, but I think a dark twist would have been more interesting. Though, the whole episode had a magical fantasy feel about it, so I suspect they were sticking to that at the end.

As you say, it could have been a lot worse. I am so used to SPN giving us these kind of episodes now I almost switch brains when they come on. :)
31st-Oct-2013 02:23 pm (UTC)
I literally live in the land of Oz, in that my small town in Kansas is the home to the Oz Museum. I volunteer at the museum and know just how serious and protective Oz fans are of their beloved characters and I was relieved to see the show treated it all with respect as they had fun with it.

I went in knowing that it had to be a light episode with the subject matter and thus I think the things that have bothered other people didn't bother me- it was fun. I think Crowley's moments were my favorite.

Charlie doesn't bother me but I can see if she isn't your favorite then this episode would have not be much fun. I like her and the Dorothy they created so I totally agree with you hun. :)
1st-Nov-2013 08:26 am (UTC)
Oh how awesome that there's an Oz museum! And that you volunteer there. That's so cool.

I enjoyed it for it's fun element and I loved the idea that the books were based on reality (just like Sam and Dean's are) -with the twist that it's all in a TV show.

And I love the breath of fresh air that Charlie brings to the screen.
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