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9th-May-2014 07:20 pm
Sam I Am (not)
I've been thinking more about what Sam said to Cas about his possession and I think it adds another, rather terrifying, layer to his experience.

Sam felt a presence - felt that he wasn't alone. Knowing what Sam had been through with Lucifer it must have been absolutely terrifying to feel like someone else what sharing your "housing". Added to that, Sam wasn't able to talk to Dean about it. Whenever it was brought up Dean diverted his attention. Dean had his reasons of course, but Sam didn't know that. He must have felt like he was going a little crazy - losing time, feeling like he's not alone in his own body. The fact that he's been "crazy" before meant that he's had experience with ignoring it. Which he obviously did.

I wonder why it's taken them until episode 21 to give us that bit of information. I realise that that scene existed mostly for us to start to see that Gadreel could be persuaded to double cross Metatron (and if it was purely for that then I will want to join the indignation some have felt in that scene), but I would truly like to believe they were giving us more insight into what Sam experienced, which might hopefully play out later in the season (shut up! I can hope!).

ETA: Flisties are right! It was retcon so...BOO - ignore that stuff above. :(( *sobs quietly*
ETA ETA: After bouncing back and forth between thoughts offered in the comments I'm back to trusting my first instinct. Mostly, it's canon now so we can take from it what we want (or need). :)

There's also another factor in play I think.

We're seeing the battle between what's considered "good" with what is "right". Dean said he felt calm with the Blade in his hand. A good feeling no doubt. Gadreel possessed Sam with good intentions - heal Sam and begin his journey to be understood. Dean agreed to the possession with good intentions - save Sam. Sam has known what it's like to become powerful, with the good intention of revenging Dean. Cas definitely knows what it's like to want power for the "good" of Heaven. Even way back to Mary agreeing to barter one of her children for John's life - it was a good intention.

We might be left to question if something is considered "good" does it make it right? Even if Gadreel turns out to be misunderstood, an angel seeking redemption with good intention does that make what he did to Sam, Dean and Kevin right? Does Dean allowing Sam to be possessed without consent make it right because it was done with good intent? Does Dean holding the Blade to seek calm make it right? My answer is no to all those things, but maybe it's not as easy as that. Can I dare hope that maybe there's a lesson here in the Winchester world after all? That Carver might indeed have a (cunning) plan in mind when he opened this massive can of worms in 9.01?

I've said to a few that I will reserve my overall judgement of this season after the final frame of S9. I don't expect we'll have all the answers but I am hoping we'll at least see why Carver opened this season with such a divisive, shocking and thought provoking scenario.
10th-May-2014 03:26 pm (UTC)
I can't buy the "Gad's presence didn't feel threatening". If it hadn't been for Crowly going in and waking Sam up to reality - and then it still took a fight to get Gad out - Gadreel would still be using Sam as meat suit today.

Sam is talking about how it was before Gadreel sided with Metatron. There's months of time before that happened, and that's when Sam didn't feel Gadreel's presence as threatening.

Edited at 2014-05-10 03:27 pm (UTC)
10th-May-2014 04:09 pm (UTC)
Hmm.. yeah...
What I was pointing out was that with the real threat Gad turned out, what does it matter that he didn't feel threatening? And really we were told that Sam was living in a little dreamworld that Gad created for him. So what's with the sudden "Gad's presence didn't feel threatening"? To me the whole thing didn't make sense, especially as it wasn't used to show that Gadreel is unpredictable because he feels differently than he might act later, but instead a confirmation for Cas that Gad might still be "trustworthy" enough fit in his plans, and as byproduct seemed to be a lingering "see, Sam, Gad wasn't all that bad after all".
This is how it felt to me and of course everything can be debated, but my feelings however can not. To me it hasn't felt right and still doesn't, hence my "I don't buy it". :)
10th-May-2014 04:40 pm (UTC)
What I was pointing out was that with the real threat Gad turned out, what does it matter that he didn't feel threatening?

Because, sometimes characters who are good at heart make wrong choices and do bad things. It does matter that for the majority of the time that he "shared housing" with Sam, that Sam didn't feel that Gadreel was a threat.

And really we were told that Sam was living in a little dreamworld that Gad created for him.

Sam only lived in that dreamworld for a short period of time, during part of ep 9.10 and most of ep 9.11.

About Gadreel being "unpredictable".... by talking to Sam, Cas found out that Gadreel wasn't always the way he is now... that before Metatron corrupted him, Gadreel wasn't a threat to Sam, and he was trustworthy. It's means there's a chance to reach out and connect to that part of Gad. And there's also a chance for him to find redemption.
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