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Quick question/s re 10.07 
27th-Nov-2014 06:55 am
Sam with Heron
(ETA: answered in a shot! Either my memory is fading or I haven't been paying enough attention. Which, I do have to admit to through some of the angel and demon stuff).

I didn't think too hard on Rowena being Crowley's mother when I watched the ep, but then I started thinking about that in bed last night (as ya do). So, um, Crowley was born a demon then? I take it Rowena is ancient and has always been a witch so maybe she put a spell on her child to make him a demon? I thought demons became demons after many years rotting in hell. Ack! I'm confused (maybe we're not supposed to know yet?).

And where is Hannah now? Do we assume she went back to heaven? (it's open now yeah?).

Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it. I wonder if that why it's a bit quiet around the place at the moment.

26th-Nov-2014 11:01 pm (UTC)
Crowley was born a demon then?
Nope, sold his soul for a few extra inches ("trying to reach double digits"), remember. Just probably knew about demons and spells and hex bags because of Rowena.

where is Hannah now? Do we assume she went back to heaven?
I'm pretty sure that's the idea. She gave back her meat suit, which means she is leaving Earth.

it's open now yeah?
Yes, that's what the whole "mission" is about. Getting the angels who don't return to heaven on their own to come home.
26th-Nov-2014 11:12 pm (UTC)
See! I knew I hadn't been paying enough attention! Ok, that makes more sense. Thank you! :)
28th-Nov-2014 11:46 pm (UTC)
Well since heaven being open was given one line where Hannah(?) said we've propped Metatron's door to heaven open, I'm not surprised you missed it. They very conveniently have not mentioned the veil or whether human souls can get into heaven. Basically, it's open enough they can dump most of the angel storyline while leaving Kevin and others being a ghosts a real possibility.
26th-Nov-2014 11:05 pm (UTC)
No, Crowley has said before that he was a "sonofa witch, actually." which was why I figured he was so good at all the hex bag antics. But wasn't it that he was a tailor that sold his soul for an "extra couple of inches" (these lines are popping in my head but don't ask me from which eps!) or something?

I'm sure better folk than me will know : ) If they're not gorging themselves on turkey already : ) xx
26th-Nov-2014 11:13 pm (UTC)
Yeah../o\ looks like I haven't been paying enough attention!! Thank you hun.

26th-Nov-2014 11:21 pm (UTC)
You've been distracted by the pretty...which makes us all very happy btw.
Random dialogue is my thing...like the shittest superpower ever : ) xx
26th-Nov-2014 11:31 pm (UTC)
Haha it's true! I don't pick up on the dialogue that easily, but I did notice that the lamp on the wall in that last episode is the same one they used in Crossroad Blues. And the painting on the wall has been used before too.
27th-Nov-2014 09:28 am (UTC)
See, that is amazing! I wish I was that attentive...or just had the memory recall coz it really is seriously impressive! : ) xx
28th-Nov-2014 10:28 am (UTC)
Ha, well, I did study the motel rooms A LOT when I was putting together the motel Wiki posts. I've stared at those things a heap. Also, vidding means you see a lot of visuals over and over. :)
26th-Nov-2014 11:27 pm (UTC)
6x04 - Weekend at Bobby's

Bobby: "In life, you were nothing but a two-bit tailor who sold his soul in exchange for an extra three inches below the belt."
Crowley: "Just trying to hit double digits."

8x22 - Clip Show

Dean: "You son of a bitch!"
Crowley: "Son of a witch, actually. My mommy taught me a few tricks."

Edited at 2014-11-26 11:31 pm (UTC)
26th-Nov-2014 11:32 pm (UTC)
Awesome! I love that they've tied all that together. thank you! <3
27th-Nov-2014 09:26 am (UTC)
You're a goddess of all things wonderful!! Thank you for that. : ) I can usually hear the line in my head but no way I can place it : ) xx
26th-Nov-2014 11:38 pm (UTC)
Rowena is Fergus McLeod's mother. Don't think of him as Crowley in this instance.
27th-Nov-2014 08:14 am (UTC)
Got it! I've pieced this together a bit more now. I do remember his back story now (and answers the question why Crowley doesn't have an accent).
27th-Nov-2014 06:24 am (UTC)
I was reading up on the guy who wrote the Malleus Maleficarum bc my daughter has to do a presentation about the witch hunt in Europe. He was misogynistic and probably impotent (blaming witches for it). That's why he claimed that women were weak and subject to the devil - resulting in the highest numbers of killed witches for Germany - and in contrast to other countries, most of the German witches were female.
Maybe the writer who wrote that famous line about Crowley and the few extra inches read about the Malleus Maleficarum guy too?
28th-Nov-2014 10:31 am (UTC)
Ah, that's interesting. I know fandom had big issues with that actual episode and the portrayal of women.

Maybe the writer who wrote that famous line about Crowley and the few extra inches read about the Malleus Maleficarum guy too?

Quite possibly! :)
27th-Nov-2014 08:04 am (UTC)
Crowley sold his soul to become a demon, but he's already stated that he was the 'Son of a Witch actually' and that's where he learned how to get one over on the boys at the end of Season 8 instead of doing it the demon way, so there's a chance he would have become a demon regardless of selling his soul :)
28th-Nov-2014 10:32 am (UTC)
Yeah, good point. I love how all this has tied into the episode. Looks like some research had been done for it. :))
29th-Nov-2014 04:54 pm (UTC)
I think, when they really put the effort in they are amazing at tying in the little tiny moments :D
27th-Nov-2014 10:31 am (UTC)
Yes I assume we are now fixed on Crowley having been Fergus McCleod - which I suppose was confirmed when Gavin turned up. I was kind of hoping he was much older and more mysterious than that after that episode where he talked about being 3 thousand years old (can't remember offhand which epi that was now).

It does nicely explain why he's so good at witchcraft.
28th-Nov-2014 10:35 am (UTC)
Yeah, I love seeing the connection to which craft. And I have a feeling that the line about being 3000 years old (I think that was connected to him knowing Naomi?).
27th-Nov-2014 01:08 pm (UTC)
hey, Happy Thanksgiving! :)
28th-Nov-2014 10:35 am (UTC)
Thank you! We don't celebrate it in Australia, but I always think being thankful is a nice thing. :)
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