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17th-Jan-2015 08:10 pm
Purgatory curious!face Dean
I really don't know what to make of this. I found out today (via a heads up from a flistie <3) that a person that I have been following (though not intently) is not only a fake but a serial LJ plagiarist and sock. It weirds be out because if this is true this person had created a very elaborate back story of his life. The person is micamonroe and it seems that some of you are already aware of this person - and the allegations that he's stolen stories and art.

I read a story of his (maybe his?) quite a few years ago. It was interesting to me because he claimed it was based on his own life experience. And I believed him.

But it seems it's all false. Well, according to this post (and the many links providing evidence).

His death was announced in a post recently (there's no point me linking it as it's friends locked) and of course many left condolences. He's also claimed to have been abused and has even been in a coma.

I have no idea what's truth or not. It's pretty damn sad if it's all been fake because - holy crap! Why?!!? Just to gather comments and gain sympathy? How sad a person must you been to create such an elaborate "other" life. His stories get A LOT of comments. I'm not sure how I missed the news that he's not who he claims to be.

Anyway. I'm not losing sleep over it. It's just freaking weird.
17th-Jan-2015 12:39 pm (UTC)
people can do weird shit. :) once, long time ago when my elder kid was very little, I read one Russian community about women and children. There was a woman, she told stories about herself: that she had fought cancer, and after that got two perfect kids, that she is a university professor and she has a perfect husband and she was giving advice left and right. And she also said that she does cross stitching and showed pics. :) And people recognized those pics as their own, because many girls may stitch the same kit, but no two frames are alike. So it turned out the whole story was totally fake. :) I don't know why someone will create a fake personality and maintain it for years, but some people seem to have nothing better to do
17th-Jan-2015 12:45 pm (UTC)
Perhaps it's about finding acceptance. Or maybe feeling like you matter in some way. I find it hard to understand how anyone could get any satisfaction from it though. Maybe it's knowing that you're fooling people. *shrugs* I'll never understand that.
17th-Jan-2015 12:56 pm (UTC)
i dont understand, i knew of him, i read his stories, left comments, am friends with a liar and a thief?i didnt know that he died or... are you saying that he was never abused, in a coma or dead at all? i... dont understand why *is confused as hell right now* i never knew none of this until now.... thanks for bringing this to my attention

Edited at 2015-01-17 01:02 pm (UTC)
17th-Jan-2015 01:03 pm (UTC)
That's exactly how I'm feeling. I just assumed it was all true. And really, I don't know. That's years of deceit if it's true. ;/ (and false accusations if it's not…)
17th-Jan-2015 02:36 pm (UTC)
He got exposed years ago, actually so to see him (or more likely her, let's be honest) coming back in interesting. In fact, I based a character off of him in the fandom meta crackfic I wrote back in 2011! Played by Misha, of course lol

It not that odd. People on the internet looking for attention. Looks at those people on tumblr recently faking suicides-- they managed to get attention from Misha, Mark, and others who took it seriously.
17th-Jan-2015 03:01 pm (UTC)
So has all that tumblr kerfuffle been exposed as a fraud then? Were there no trolls targetting people?

I admit, I was inclined to believe that because I've encountered recently a real life troll who had a go at a friend of mine and who has caused problems in fandom in person at Asylum conventions. So these crazy nasty pieces of work do exist...
17th-Jan-2015 02:38 pm (UTC)
Really? I'd heard a bunch of stuff about 'him' and thought it was true - that he'd been beaten up for being gay and was in a coma... And he/she isn't even real?

Why do people do that? You are right, it is just weird.

I just looked at that list of this person's alter egos - how the hell do you keep track of so many different journals??? And comment on yourself? That is more than weird.

Edited at 2015-01-17 02:58 pm (UTC)
18th-Jan-2015 05:29 am (UTC)
Yeah, I just took it at face value. Mostly because it just doesn't register to me that someone would go to the effort to make that all up. So very very strange. reading some incidences here though it seems like it's not that uncommon. It's certainly made me more sceptical now.
17th-Jan-2015 03:16 pm (UTC)
I heard about this...it is so weird! I saw a post that mentioned s/he may have Munchhousens, which kinda makes sense I guess, but still...really?
I would love to know what the hell they're thinking.
I have enough difficultly trying to keep track of the real me, let alone making up a fake me! x
18th-Jan-2015 05:37 am (UTC)
I know! Imagine keeping track of all that. But Mica's account looks different to all those other ones - but it seems he/she's done this before elsewhere. *sigh* strange world man.
17th-Jan-2015 04:08 pm (UTC)
The mind boggles. The motivation for acting this way completely escapes me, let alone the time it must take to keep up the illusion on so many different fronts. I tell you something else I worry about. There seems to be an influx of fundraising sites or people appealing for money. Now, I don't want to sound hard hearted, but just handing over cash to a username with a sob story that i've no way of knowing is genuine? No. I'm sorry, but No. Maybe that makes me sound like a bitch, I don't know. Sad as it is I think people are far too naive and trusting online. A shared fandom, and a few exchanged comments doesnt mean we really know each other does it? Am I even making sense? Probably not! (No change there then!) Having said all this, there are some unquestionably kind and genuine people about. I just wish it was easier to spot the ones with ulteria motives.
18th-Jan-2015 05:45 am (UTC)
There seems to be an influx of fundraising sites or people appealing for money.

I have voiced my concern about this swell (on twitter). It had the unfortunate effect of upsetting someone I didn't want to upset, but the point was that with the Gofundme site now popular there has been an increased demand for financial help. Now, I agree that in some cases it's incredibly helpful and their are genuine people in need, but it's hard to know these days who's genuine and who isn't. Especially when people are prepared to create on line personas over years. I heard a startling figure (in the millions) of people who have been tricked by the romance scam. Falling in love with an online stranger and then them needing money to help them out of a dire situation. It's scary, because it preys on people's generosity and kindness.

I've become much more sceptical over the years. Though I was totally fooled by Mica. I had NO idea (luckily no money as been involved - I don't think).

18th-Jan-2015 06:12 am (UTC)
Yeah, I can't help but feel that a person who has to do this must be really struggling in real life. I know there's also people who do this stuff to eventually elicit money out of people. This doesn't seem like that - as far as I know there's been not request for funds. I think it's just a need to be loved and cared for. But it's no excuse for stealing fan works. That draws a rather unsympathetic line for me. I would hate to think all those stories "he's" written have been stolen. They were very popular (and credit should have been going to someone else if that was the case).
17th-Jan-2015 05:07 pm (UTC)
God, I hate pseudocides. They sicken me. I had it happen to a good friend of mine - someone who was supposedly her best friend "died" and "her brother" posted to her journal sharing the news, and my friend was devastated for weeks. Until she found her friend posting on another site, alive and well. I was kind of friends with her too, but not so close, so it didn't affect me as much.

But still. It's a terrible thing to do to people.
17th-Jan-2015 05:25 pm (UTC)
The recent rash of pseudocides on tumblr coincided with all the American kids out on winter break for the holidays. IMAGINE THAT.

What's particularly distressing about this is that yes, depression DOES escalate during the winter holidays and people who genuinely need help might get lost in all those little shits crying wolf.
17th-Jan-2015 05:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah, after I got poking around LJ (and seeing what other folks had to say about him), I realized I HAD heard of him before as this enormous fraud. The amount of energy he devotes to fabricating stuff indicates some serious dysfunction.

I'm super-skeptical of people on the internet. Before I buy anyone's sob story about anything, I research as much as I can and listen to my instincts about them.

Actually, I have a friend on-line who I met 15 years ago in a White Wolf vampire-themed rpg chat, and she faked being a 'he' for ages, to really sell the idea that her character was male. She was also trying to protect her real-life identity; back then, it wasn't nearly so accepted to live RPG chat stuff. I caught onto it early on and asked her point-blank, and she admitted it to me. Eventually, she admitted it to all the rp folks she actually cared about. We're still friends today, but she never tried to milk anyone for sympathy or attention or money. We had a mutual friend in this same circle who got taken for a lot of money (and hand-made gifts) by a guy claiming to be Italian and in love with her. We tracked his IP to Florida. SO not Italy. And there were other things too, but fact is, people do this crap to each other all the stinkin' time.

You're a good soul, Ash. He (or she) took advantage of a lot of good souls. Don't stop being kind-hearted! Just do a quick google if someone's life seems so fraught with misfortune, it's the stuff of soap operas. :)
18th-Jan-2015 06:26 am (UTC)
I realized I HAD heard of him before as this enormous fraud.

Man, I wish I had! I feel like I'm pretty savvy around LJ, but it seems I missed this bit of info. I never got caught up in the bashing and coma thing, nor did I read more than one of "his" stories. It didn't even occur to be that it could all be fabricated because…why?! (I mean, I know why now, but never crossed my mind at the time). I mostly felt a passing "that's a shame'. Though the annoucement of his
*death* did catch me because after all the life dramas it felt like it could be true. Ha!

The romance scams are scary. I was listening to a program on them recently and in Aus they mentioned a figure in the millions that have been lost to these scams. So not only losing money but being left heart broken and lving with the knowledge you've been tricked.

I very wary of requests for money (as you know..;D) and that's something I monitor. Though I figure these are long term scams so it's hard to know who's out there building up a support net-work to then ask for help. This has made me even more sceptical. :/

And yeah! Googling is a good idea. Though, with Mica, it just never even crossed my mind. Perhaps I better find some more "warning" sites on LJ to follow.

17th-Jan-2015 05:40 pm (UTC)
I heard about this maybe a couple of years ago and I thought, hmmmm? Really?

But then I remembered that about 15 years ago I was a moderator on a pretty big social forum and 2 of the people on the forum, a younger boy and an older women were having an online romance, then when the younger boy went to meet this "women" it turned about he was a 30's man. So after investigating it as best I could, the IP addresses showed that neither were where they said they lived. I banned them because no one needs that drama.

The internet is awesome for being anonymous and you can make up whatever you want about yourself.

I didn't know that Mica was stealing stories and art. I read a couple of his stories and thought they were pretty good. I was sad when he got beaten up, etc. But then I saw the post about his "death" so yeah, people can be weird and dramatic, wanting to be interesting instead of interested.
18th-Jan-2015 12:24 pm (UTC)
I've been hearing about some pretty weird stuff going on in this thread. It's a sad reflection on people really.

I'm only going by what I've read on that post about his plagiarism. I trust they have looked into it and have some evidence (one link had screen caps etc). The stories were very popular. I hate to think of him/her getting credit without actually doing the work. :/
17th-Jan-2015 06:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think I heard something about him - there was a couple of others years back, one named Marie something (who when she got caught created another lj saying she was hacked to keep the drama going- turns out it was all fake fake fake).

Idk, I have too much on my own plate to pay too much attention.

I love and adore fandom/LJ community and had the pleasure of going to cons to meet rl fen. And as much as I love fen it still turns out, people are still people and just as batshit crazy as the next person! Judgment call via my own experience rooming with a few said crazies o.O
18th-Jan-2015 12:30 pm (UTC)
Oh that's interesting! You actually met real peeps and they were crazy in RL? ha…that must be weird. All the fans I've met in RL have been very nice. But i know what you mean - fandom sure has its fair share of crazies. And the internet makes it easier to do weird things...
17th-Jan-2015 06:41 pm (UTC)
Written about the Buffy fandom, Will the Vampire People Please Leave the Lobby? has a chapter on Munchausen by Internet.

Ironically, the community that fostered the author writing this book suffered just such a hoax, accepting a person who became welcome and beloved, until the life story became more and more unbelieveable, ending in a pseudocide on New Year's Day that left the community stunned, hurt, and deeply suspicious thereafter.

I don't get it, but I recognize that such people exist. I'm sorry people on LJ and elsewhere have been taken in by this micamonroe pseud.
18th-Jan-2015 12:32 pm (UTC)
So nothing new then. Sometimes I feel like I've been around to "see it all", but it looks like I'm still discovering stuff. AND it looks like it's nothing new. I'll certainly be more sceptical from now on. Which, in some ways is sad because I'm sure there are genuine cases out there.

Thanks for the link. :)
17th-Jan-2015 08:46 pm (UTC)
This happened several years ago in the Queer As Folk fandom. A writer passed himself off as polyamorous, at that time living with another man and raising a baby daughter, courtesy of a friend who donated her eggs and carried the baby for them. He also bravely dealt with the aftereffects of a traumatic head injury he sustained while playing on an ice hockey team. He wrote original M/M fiction and had a pretty big following in the QaF fandom (I don't specifically remember his name, Christian something) and he especially had a very intense internet relationship with one of the women on my flist. Over the years he posted pics of his daughter, but never himself or his partner. When it eventually came out that "he" was a "she" playing an elaborate hoax on the internet, the aforementioned fan was devastated and publicly humiliated. After many posts about how she didn't know and never suspected, she deleted her journal and quietly went away. Turns out that a lot of people knew of the sham, they just kept it to themselves, or played along, because they assumed everyone else knew. I had never friended him, so I watched this play out in journals of other on my flist.

Some people are seriously fucked up and with the internet, it's so easy to lie and take advantage of others. It's one of the reasons why I keep my flist so small. I blab all the time about my personal life, and I like to know who I'm blabbing to :)
18th-Jan-2015 12:38 pm (UTC)
Wow, what a story. It's interesting to hear that people played a long even though they suspected the scam. And it must be horrible to be completely fooled like that. I never got personally involved with "Mica", but he certainly wove an elaborate enough story to garner sympathy. It's horrible how these people play on people's charity and good will and kindness. Truly sad humans.

It's certainly made me more aware now. Thanks for sharing this story. :)
17th-Jan-2015 09:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he's/she or whoever has been exposed for quite some time now. What was funny is the supposed sketches of him/self-portraits down by his boyfriends were actually art done by different people of the lead singer of HIM Ville Vallo.

The pseudosuicide is simply because he/she has been found out and they need to ditch this journal so they can start up a new one and partake in a new identity.
18th-Jan-2015 06:32 am (UTC)
Yeah, he's/she or whoever has been exposed for quite some time now.

Argh! How did I miss this?!! I kinda feel stoopid for missing out on knowing this.

And yes, it makes sense that he killed *himself* off. Will probably emerge somewhere else, under a different name.
17th-Jan-2015 10:02 pm (UTC)
Ugh, my head hurts when I see such things... Yeah, it's weird, I totally agree. Also, not fair. I come to Internet to find friends and just for sharing my thoughts with each others. And when it turns out someone has been cheating... If one lies about one's identity, then how do I know whether this person's thoughts and views were true? And if they weren't, then what's the point in talking? Yeah, I get that one wants to keep anonymity, I do as well, I tend to be paranoical about it, actually. But anonymity is one thing, and fake personality quite another. Not to mention it has an awful side effect of spreading general distrust around. And plagiarism is a whole next level of dickiness. I'd feed plagiarists to sharks. *growls* Plagiarists don't just fake identity; they steal someone other's!
18th-Jan-2015 02:08 pm (UTC)
*nods* to all this. Absolutely agree. I hate that this sort of thing spreads distrust. There are times I see someone post life dramas and if I don't know them very well I won't comment or get involved (actually, I rarely comment on personal posts unless I know the person very well). It's horrible to think of some people working on a fake persona for years to build up trust though.

And plagiarists. Just. No. No excuse. Clearly no conscience or moral fibre. Ugh.
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