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Poll 10.18 
17th-Apr-2015 03:49 pm
Nothing but a song
I definitely have stuff I want to say about this episode but I'm so short of time. Just returned from visit my family over east and now getting ready for my daughter's epic 18th party. I'd still love to know what you all thought of 10.18. In short, I loved it. The longer version will contain Sam stuff - and a slightly changed view of the show (or rather, it's clearer to me what they are doing now…)

Poll #2008211 10.18 reaction

I thought 10.18 was:

Awesomesauce!!! Loved it ALLLLLL!!!!
Great! Loved nearly all of it.
Ok. Not everything worked for me.
Meh. Hope it gets better toward the season end
Nope! seriously?! They're going there?
EPIC song choice at the end because ::koff::: I made a vid to it once! :D
17th-Apr-2015 11:23 am (UTC)
I'm so confused about what show is doing with Sam, so I'll be checking back later for your "Sam Stuff" I appreciated all the Sam pov we were treated to, but his choice of the word 'love' when it comes to the hunting life confused me more than anything. My Sam confusion aside, I loved the episode.
17th-Apr-2015 12:33 pm (UTC)
There's two thoughts for Sam. 1- they still have no idea about him or where they are going with him to 2 - they had an idea and dropped it (due to fan reaction last season) and now have to rapidly rebuild Sam so he can do what ever he's going to do to save Dean. Personally, I think it's been a mess, but I do have some thoughts about why it's been a mess and why they're doing what they're doing now. Hope to get some thoughts down during the week. :)
17th-Apr-2015 02:33 pm (UTC)
to be fair (not that I ever want to be fair to my Arch Nemesis Jeremy Carver lol), Jared is the one that changed the line in the finale last year. Honestly? I feel like at this point in the show, Jared feels like Sam IS a hunter and is fine with it and wants to be with his brother, and was confused/unhappy by the direction Carver went with Amelia and that whole ~normal~ story. He's been pretty open about hating that story and wanting to get back to the brothers being their messy codependent selves (J2 character bleed is strong, we know this lol #boathouse)
17th-Apr-2015 03:09 pm (UTC)
exactly. They were going one way - which was going to be massively difficult but potentially epic - and due to a number of things (not least, I suspect, the hate Sam/Jared received last season) it's been turned around. I prefer this version (well, sort of) but wish they had had the guts to see that direction (which I thought was about "same circumstances, I wouldn't") though to a good conclusion. In the meantime, we are back on the "do the bad thing to save the other brother" treadmill, so next season we should see Sam paying the price for his about-to-be, epic mistake. BUT - it's all about the codependency and that in itself continues create all the FEEEEEEEEELLLLSSSS!!! (just for you…;D).
17th-Apr-2015 03:19 pm (UTC)
you know how I feel about the events of 9.1 and S9 in general, but ultimately? If you take away the "burn it down for my brother, fuck yay!" element away from Sam and Dean, then you take away a big part of what makes them so epic. Is it ~healthy~ or ~moral~? I mean, who cares, you know? This is a show about flawed men who were fucked from birth, but they still feel so damn much that you can't help feeling with them. You want fucking kumbaya, go watch cartoons.

What I'm saying is:


/points to icon
17th-Apr-2015 03:27 pm (UTC)
Exactly! I hear ya. And it's what makes it all so compelling. It can be infuriating, but the lengths they'll go to for each other is made of epicness! I want them to burn the world for each other.

And yep. Totally psycho (I always think the leviaChesters from Slash Fiction version of them wasn't too far off the mark…)
17th-Apr-2015 05:35 pm (UTC)
And all of that is why we are all still here discussing it and debating. However much the writers don't get it, or mess it up, or twist it round, we twist it back to the things that matter. (Hopefully)
17th-Apr-2015 09:47 pm (UTC)
YES to this whole conversation.

"I want them to burn the world for each other."

That's IT, exactly. And true, if you take away their codependence, you basically take away the essence of the show.

"This is a show about flawed men who were fucked from birth, but they still feel so damn much that you can't help feeling with them"

That's why I'm in love with it. :)

I have no idea what Carver wanted for the show in those last seasons, but in retrospect, I think everybody can see it didn't work. Because there's no "normal" for these guys, and there never will be. I don't know if it was input from the Js that changed the course, or the hate Jared/Sam got last season, or what it was, but I hope they'll now stick to our fucked up, codependent brothers.
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