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10.22 poll and, a different approach.. 
14th-May-2015 09:48 pm
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Poll #2011057 10.22 episode reaction

I thought 10.22 was:

Awesome! Intense and everything I expected from the penultimate episode.
25(40.3%)
Pretty good! The great stuff overshadowed the not so great stuff.
19(30.6%)
Ok. Not everything I hoped for, but still not entirely bad.
8(12.9%)
*meh* Aside from one or two moments, I was unimpressed.
5(8.1%)
Nope. Nope. Haven't we been here before?! Time to change the record. :(
5(8.1%)




This might not work, but I'm keen to try it. I have a heap of thoughts about this episode. So many I'm not really sure where to start. So, instead of writing it all down, how about you share what you thought and we can chat about it? OR ask me a specific question and I'll answer it. That way the conversation will become the episode reaction. If that makes any sense (if not, I'll write something up later…*g*).

I adore talking about the show and accept the individual responses to it. I won't harsh your squee, nor will I spew rainbows over your discontent. At the moment I'm all over the damn place about the episode. I could squee and I could bitch. I saw brilliance and I saw major fail. I'm just…what is this show?! How dare you make me care so much when I see through your contrivance.

In other words…I need to talk!
Comments 
14th-May-2015 08:37 pm (UTC)
Gah! I just wrote a nicely considered episode reaction and LJ swallowed it and refuse to post it. Dammit!!

Trying again…

I found this one stomach churning and very tense. Both our boys are disintegrating, and it’s hard to watch that happen. It was a very violent episode all round, clearly aimed at demonstrating how far gone Dean is already. Got to admit, I never saw the kid Steyn as being a young Sam parallel – to me he was there as someone you were intended to feel sympathy for amongst a bunch of human monsters, simply so that we could be suitably shocked when Dean kills him too. We know he’s a good lad, Dean doesn’t, but it’s still horrible to have our hero do something as despicable as killing a child.

Plus I found Crowley genuinely intimidating for the first time ever. His transformation was really quite scary, and for a few seconds I actually thought he might kill, or at least severely harm Sam. So kudos to Mark for that. This MoC Dean even though ostensibly still human is also far more frightening than the Demon version from the early season, and, Jensen’s glorious hotness aside when he’s being badass, I was happy to see that being followed through. The Mark of Cain is seriously bad mojo, and up until now we’ve only really had hints and snippets to indicate just how bad things are going to get if nothing is done to stop it. I am now wondering if next season will be MoC Dean on the rampage, possibly in cahoots with Crowley, and Sam and Cas trying to rein him in/kill him.

I thought Cas was holding back in the beating scene – from a lingering sense of guilt for Charlie and possibly for every time he’s failed Dean, but also because he didn’t want to harm Dean. I really liked the speech about Cas being the only one left to witness Dean’s ultimate fall – I think that sense of loneliness from being an ageless being that Cas used to carry around has been lost over the seasons, and I liked to see that being acknowledged again.

I also wondered whether they were drawing a parallel in that beating scene with the two other occasions Castiel has beaten Dean to a pulp. Seeing as how they do like their mirror scenes.

So that’s my long winded way of saying – I liked this one. It made me feel we are getting somewhere – not that I’m going to like the destination, but that it will at least have importance and impact.

17th-May-2015 12:27 pm (UTC)
Gah! I just wrote a nicely considered episode reaction and LJ swallowed it and refuse to post it. Dammit!!

I hate that! For a while now I copy every thing I write on LJ before I post it. It has saved me so many times. It's now habit… :)

Thanks for re-doing your comments though. <3

I agree it was a very intense episode and at times, hard to watch. I enjoyed the intensity and I was on the edge of my seat quite a bit.

I never saw the kid Steyn as being a young Sam parallel.

I think I did as soon as he was seen as an outsider, and also the youngest in the family. He wanted out and wasn't able to get out. As the show often parallels characters, I think he represented the "innocent" person before he followed his destiny. He might not have represented Sam exactly (and actually I think Dabb might not have totally made that connection), but I think there's some small similarities. Mostly, I think he was there to show us that Dean crossed a line. He saw him with the "blood" in him and therefore potentially a monster. It's something Dean has sometimes tussled with. Now, with the Mark, there's no doubt for him. It's so interesting.

Plus I found Crowley genuinely intimidating for the first time ever.

Wasn't it glorious!? Finally! And not through sheer violence, but through menace and threat. I was totally surprised by that and it became one of my favourite parts in the ep. (who would have thought!! *g*).

I think there are some good reasons why Cas held back during the beating (feeling he deserved it is my fave), but I would love them to have given us more hints about what was happening there. Cas could have "held" Dean and bay and told him to get his act together. I would love to see Cas be firm with Dean and say "you're fucking this up!" He keeps letting Dean get away with all sorts of stuff - including what he did last season...(and that may well be deliberate and part of Cas's character. Oooh, first time I've ever really contemplated this. Cas has so much admiration of human Dean that he doesn't feel like he can call him out on his behaviour).

I also wondered whether they were drawing a parallel in that beating scene with the two other occasions Castiel has beaten Dean to a pulp. Seeing as how they do like their mirror scenes.

From what I've seen this is definitely what the D/C part of fandom think. It didn't cross my mind, but yes, it probably was a mirror. Cas has beaten on Dean a couple of times, so I think it was Cas's turn to concede.

Thanks for your thoughts! They've really given me some new ideas. <33
19th-May-2015 07:00 am (UTC)
Interestingly, people asked the question about Cas holding back to Misha and Jensen (and I think maybe even to Bob Singer) and the answer was consistently that Cas held back because he doesn't want to hurt Dean - that being an angel again means he could do Dean a lot of damage even if Dean can't die because of the Mark.

I recorded the meet & greet with Jensen and he brought Bob Singer in too, and I videoed the panel where they brought Bob back on stage so I need to sort through that to see what was said because it was all really interesting!

So sorry you guys won't be getting Jared in Oz though, sad.
19th-May-2015 10:36 am (UTC)
I'm curious to know if it's true that it was written that Cas fought back but Misha and Jensen changed that - thinking that Cas didn't want to hurt Dean. I totally accept the sentiment of it, but I maintain that Cas could have"held" Dean without hurting him to stop him and also try and get him to see some sense. They way they did this suggests that Dean goes away thinking he is all powerful and might make him think he's unstoppable. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. It might also mean that Cas could stop him if he really tried. Hmmmm....


And yeah, so sad we won't have a chance to meet jared. I was SO excited about that. I agree that he should have pulled out though, it would have been horrible for him to have to suffer through it all. Hopefully I'll have a chance another time. :))

Thanks hun.
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