?

Log in

No account? Create an account
curled around these images
just enough to make us dangerous
11.03 reaction 
24th-Oct-2015 10:39 am
Relax!


If I actually cared about the whole angel, demon, witch and (now) Darkness plot I might have actually enjoyed that episode. As it is, that episode wasn't designed for me so I feel like I can't really comment too much about it. So often now, I catch myself watching an episode and thinking "why am I watching this? This isn't the kind of television I usually enjoy". There are quite a few supernatural themed shows (Vampire Dairies etc) that I don't watch because they just don't appeal to me. Doesn't mean they are bad shows, they are just not my cup of tea. (Of course, it just takes Sam and Dean to appear on the screen and I am remembered why I continue to watch the show. ;D)

So yeah. I found it pretty uninteresting. I went from feeling *meh* about that to getting annoyed about it (and hence not posting the reaction sooner. I had hoped to change my view on it before I posted anything).

So, for what it's worth, here are some thoughts on it.

I thought Jensen did a fine job directing. He clearly knows his way around a camera and there were some nice shots and mostly good performances. I thought the little girl who played Amara did a very good job

My favourite scene was the random!demon and random!angel in the bar. I actually laughed out loud. It seemed to sum up everything about demons and angels at the moment. "TPTB don't know what they're doing, someone has to do something". The sense of the utter mundane-ness in that scene was perfect. It also helped me put the Supernatural universe in perspective. Demons and angels are no better (or worse) than humans. They exist side-by-side with humans and they have the same bitches about their bosses that we do. I am still laughing.

Dean trying to get Crowley on the phone. *headdesk* What happened to summoning him, like they used to do. Again, it emphasises that mundane quality of demons and angels. "Hang on, I'll just get the King of Hell on the phone. He's on my speed dial".

Dean telling Cas not to heal him because he had it coming - I think I should be feeling sorry for someone here maybe? But I kind of don't. Dean beat up Cas in the last season, Cas beat up Dean. They are even (for the moment at least. Until the next beating session).

I thought we'd be moving past guilty boys this season. *sigh*

The only other thing I think is worth mentioning (because I am sure you don't need to read me describing how underwhelming everything else was) is Rowena goading Sam and Dean to fight by mentioning the deal that Sam made to save Dean.

It felt like such a lame excuse to set the brothers apart again and I am so totally sick of it. Dean being pissed that Sam made a deal to kill Crowley in order to save him makes just *sigh* very heavily. I figure it's the "secret" that he's actually pissed about, but…really? Isn't Dean carrying a rather huge secret at the moment too? Jeez. And all that in front of Rowena. The Dean I know wouldn't fall for the bait - let alone be pissed because Sam had made a deal to kill Crowley. I am SO tired for Dean being cross with Sam about - well, whatever. After all the verbal abuse that Sam copped last season from MoC and demon!Dean surely they could make Dean a little more sympathetic toward Sam. I don't expect an apology but why have we had 3 episodes of this uncaring Dean toward Sam? Is is caring some resentment for Sam saving him and releasing the Darkness maybe? We saw Dean care more about Cas in one episode than we've seen from Dean since…I can't remember when.

I hope this is building up to some major healing between then soon. It is getting SO SO tiresome (and I swear to god if Crowley becomes a reason for a rift between Sam and Dean I will fucking scream. Dear Dean, Crowley is the ENEMY. Remember what he did to Sarah? Remember how he tortured Kevin and kidnapped his mum? You should have been high-fiving Sam on his deal. Crowley's life for your life? Sound like a damn good deal to me).

No mention of the infection that was so urgent during the first 2 episodes. And, unsurprisingly, no mention of the cure Sam found.

Dammit. I ended up moaning about it when I didn't want to. I really really don't want to moan about the show because it will always hold a special place in my heart. As I said, this episode wasn't created for a viewer like me. I know they have to have them, so I really have to learn to just accept them and move on.

(oh forgot to mention Sam mothering Dean was sweet. "Keep ice on that". <3 A tiny moment but we gotta take what we can get).

Bring on next week!



5 = AWESOME!! 1 = Nope.

Poll #2025851 11.03 reaction

How do you rate 11.03?

5
1(2.0%)
4
10(20.0%)
3
13(26.0%)
2
15(30.0%)
1
11(22.0%)
Comments 
24th-Oct-2015 02:58 am (UTC)
I feel really similar! The episode was overall un-engaging - I don't hate angels, but right now I'm not interested in them. I spent most of the episode trying to focus on camerawork because the plot was pretty slow.

Granted, little girl!Amara and Crowley had fun interactions. I'm not 100% sure about that mirror moment? But the little actress really did do a great job.

But also! Seriously! Dean already *knows* that Sam will do anything to keep Dean alive and safe, and Sam knows the Sam for Dean. Dean shouldn't be surprised, and how does he NOT remember that he'd do the exact same thing if he had been in Sam's place??

I think my fav moment was the no-look bag toss, when Dean grabbed that witch's purse and threw it to Sam from behind his back. Jensen was SUPER proud of that on twitter :D

Edited at 2015-10-24 03:19 am (UTC)
24th-Oct-2015 04:36 am (UTC)
Dean shouldn't be surprised, and how does he NOT remember that he'd do the exact same thing if he had been in Sam's place??

It's one of the things I've never understood. Same for knowing how the other would feel if one of them actually died. They are so connected by this trait they both share. Instead of "how could you do that?" it could now be "I totally understand why you did that".

And YES! The bag toss was awesome!
24th-Oct-2015 06:15 am (UTC)
I was hoping you'd give me a reason to watch the ep! I started, and got sick of it pretty quick, so wandered over here to get motivated. lol :)
So, suppose I should go back and watch for the bag toss! Pretty poor reason, but. Oh, well....
24th-Oct-2015 06:38 am (UTC)
Bag toss is great! As is Dean's wonderful wink and smile. Just go to tumblr for the numerous gifs that must exist if you don't want to watch the ep. :)
24th-Oct-2015 06:33 am (UTC)
I actually didn't think Dean was pissed with Sam about the Rowena deal thing. The overwhelming impression I got from both boys was borderline apathy. Any emotion expressed by either of them came across as going through the motions - like each of them is reaching for the ability to feel something, anything - and largely failing.

I thought the sense of disconnect between them (and between them and the rest of the world) was much stronger in this episode than the previous two, and then I started wondering if that was because they filmed this one first.

I could be totally wrong and this is not what the show intends, but it's certainly what I got from it.
24th-Oct-2015 06:43 am (UTC)
I actually didn't think Dean was pissed with Sam about the Rowena deal thing.

Oh you don't? That's probably good then. I thought Dean's look to Sam was quite pointed, but you could be right. I'll have to take another look.

Um, yeah - I was struggling to feel much from either of them in this one. It could be because it was the first episode filmed. The disconnect is still so strong - even after they've been saying they are working together to fight a common goal this season. Which might yet happen. I'm hoping the next ep is the beginning of a new direction. We'll see.

I'd also be sure that the Js might just be sick of the secret stuff as much as we are. I saw one of them tweet about stopping the secrets. In their case glass houses and stones come to mind. Neither of them should be calling the other out of their sacrificing actions (unless its to start a real conversation about addressing them).

24th-Oct-2015 10:33 am (UTC)
hi ash, i agree, im just gonna add scenes that pissed me off if that's ok, 1.Sam, Dean Rowena in the bunker, *Sam, go catch that virus (i mean Cas....), i want to have a chat with the witch,
2 seconds later *Dean, the virus has fled the bunker, let's go get it.
3. Sam left the room for Dean to chat with the Rowena,
4..Sam Dean Rowena in baby, everything in that scene 5. the *I deserved to get hit because i nearly beat the shit out of you Cas*.. i dont know, about next week im really worried :( i will wait til see what you thought of it and then i'll watch. long comment i know, my grade of this ep is 1 Nope
25th-Oct-2015 10:57 am (UTC)
Yeah, it had some troubling moments.

I am seriously hoping to be squeeing after next week!
24th-Oct-2015 11:18 am (UTC)
Nope, didn't work at all for me. 5 seconds of Constipated Castiel was 4 seconds too long and the far too close close-ups of the said Constipated Castiel were making me nauseous.

Mostly I failed to find, well, to be honest just lately I constantly fail to find any logical point to any of it. Round and around we go again - wheee - oops, I fell off. Not sure if I'm bothered enough to get back on. The tiny gems just don't outweigh the boring, plodding banal heaven and hell plots or the angel and demon bland characters any longer for me. Their humour doesn't travel well for me any longer and the show's outlook on what constitutes abuse isn't on an acceptable par with me either these days. Huh, I'm a grumpy bitch this morning aren't I? Sorry.
25th-Oct-2015 10:59 am (UTC)
My hope is that the MoTW eps still continue and we manager to get at least a few good ole SamnDean eps. It might be a matter of picking and choosing which ones to watch. And future angel and demon heavy eps I think I might just avoid (well, avoid commenting on anyway).
24th-Oct-2015 02:24 pm (UTC)
I did enjoy the scene between the angel and demon in the bar and it's definitely a reflection of how mundane that storyline has become. I'd like to think that if any of the old school angels and demons from previous seasons ever showed up they would ask "what happened to all of you?" ( and not as nicely)

As much as I moaned at the possibility of the whole secret/division between the boys, in many ways I am enjoying Sam much more this season. It's not that I didn't enjoy/like him before but it's like there have been better moments for him this season so far- finding the cure, the interaction w/ Cas when he called his car crapppy, calling Dean out on the obvious about Crowley. ( well, maybe not calling him out but reminding him that it was not surprising that Crowley is a dick). Yes, the cure was all but forgotten this episode but but as someone who has leaned more toward Dean, I've grown a little tired of how they've been portraying him. As much as Sam hasn't gotten the best treatment in recent seasons either, I've just enjoyed him in the last couple of episodes more, if that makes any sense.

I think Crowley is getting over is head with the little girl and he's starting realize it. On some level that was nice to see. I really don't want him to end up working with Sam and Dean to resolve this. It could be interesting to see what other options he might try to come up with.

Edited at 2015-10-24 02:32 pm (UTC)
25th-Oct-2015 11:05 am (UTC)
previous seasons ever showed up they would ask "what happened to all of you?"

haha! I think Zach would be horrified!

in many ways I am enjoying Sam much more this season.

Oh me too! SO much more. In fact, I'd say (other than maybe end of S8) it's been my fave Sam in Carver's era. He's been self sufficient, snarky and compassionate. Qualities I've missed. I really hope they give Dean a chance to find his feet properly after his last season and a half journey. I'd love to see him move past the guilt and see both himself and Sam's worth again.





24th-Oct-2015 03:26 pm (UTC)
Ash, this is why I come to your page after every ep. You somehow manage to capture exactly what Im feeling these days about SPN. for the first time ever, I rated 1. I didnt know this was the first ep filmed and honestly, I dont think its supposed to matter or else they wouldnt film out of order. I think it boils down to I fell in love with a story about 2 brothers with an unhealthy codependant relationship fighting evil. The show has evolved to an ensemble show that features caricatures of the boys every now and again. Its like 90210 monster style. Its just not what it was. And before you say that shows that go on as long as a decade! (@@ wow!) must evolve or die, I agree but they seem to have changed the essence of what made this my favorite thing ever! I honestly could care less about the angel storyline. The Darkness could be interesting but I think whats cheapening the effect as you stated is that banality of the angel/demon storyline. Remember when just the "sight of an angel" was enough to make demons crap their underpants? Now Dean has Crowley on speed-dial, IDK it just cheapens the whole thing and Im not interested.
Also, someone commented that at least Sam has some lines to say and yes I am loving animated useful caring Sam, but as a Dean girl, even Im annoyed with the way Dean is coming across. I can only blame the writers and watch old seasons....le sigh!
25th-Oct-2015 04:34 am (UTC)
If I could "like" this comment, I would. Needless to say, I totally agree, and particularly hate the ensemble crap. Re-occurring is/was one thing, and quite a lot of fun, actually, but now? I don't / haven't cared for quite a while. What does it mean when you watch a show, fast forwarding through any scenes not including the brothers? Haven't seen much of show at all, I guess.
24th-Oct-2015 03:26 pm (UTC)
There was a time when show tried to stay away from the more cartoonish characteristics of what they were making stories about and instead focus on the horror. That worked.
This doesn't. It makes the whole mythology and storylines sillier. It's where, to my mind, the show under Jeremy Carver fails time and again. Reminds me of Charmed's last years. Even Sera, coming up with the B movie craziness that was the leviathans, still basically kept up the darkness rather than the silliness.

About the Sam keeping secrets moment, I actually thought, oh, Dean's moving on now. The look he gave Sam was, to me, like he was concerned because once again, secrets, but he didn't look mad, which is his default to anything he thinks Sam does wrong. I thought it was progress in their relationship! It's always interesting how people read things differently.
25th-Oct-2015 01:35 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I love it best when they do real horror rather than the cartoonish approach. I like humour in the show, but I love it most when we have some real scares.

but he didn't look mad, which is his default to anything he thinks Sam does wrong.

Oh good. I'll have to look at that again. Others have said the same so maybe I missed something. I am ALWAYS looking for progress in their relationship - so I'd love it to be progress. Especially if it was Dean somehow thinking about the secret he was keeping from Sam. Having a connection to the Darkness is a must tell I reckon. Maybe it will come out next ep.
24th-Oct-2015 03:35 pm (UTC)
Whoever said "total disconnect and weariness" caught my feelings exactly. This is an excellent write-up. It's dispiriting to watch a show go down the drain and know that everyone is doing it strictly for the money year after year, but pretending to be excited about it.

Recently they had S4 and 5 on TNT. Rewatching those seasons really made the contrast stark. Nobody seems like they're enjoying themselves, except perhaps Mark Sheppard. It's definitely become an ensemble show--just look at how most of the show's promotional art features all four characters.
25th-Oct-2015 01:38 pm (UTC)
Definitely ensemble now. I know why it is so, but I wish they could have done something else to give the boys time off.

Mark does look like he's enjoying himself. :)
24th-Oct-2015 03:54 pm (UTC)
Jensen did well with what he had, Sam looked good, the kid really held her own, the Mega Coven is the dumbest thing ever, the porn scene was expected and as annoying as usual from this duo, the 'get a life comment' was perfect, this was a Destiel shipper's dream if you like your romance flavored with beatings, why any of these characters think anyone is keeping any kind of deals except the crossroads kind is insane, the angel and demon at the bar need to have a balcony box, popcorn, and a pay raise.

I thought the way they played the secrets scene was a lot like just getting it over with. It felt like they delivered the obligatory dialog and moved on as fast as they could to the next thing. It was kind of like okaaaay, we said the stuff, back to Cas. "Sam knows my point, keyword...." And Sam is thinking Abracadabra? Cheeseburger? Plastics? And then Sam thinks "Oh, yeah secrets, whatever Dean, plastics are more interesting....." Leviathan!Sam would have eaten him by now...and Rowena, Crowley and Cas for that matter. I think the Js are as bored with it as we are.

Still this isn't the worst episode these 2 have written so that's a small comfort.
26th-Oct-2015 11:02 am (UTC)
Sam looked good

He did! Such a major improvement from last season (hair wise) and JA sure knows how to frame him. :)

I just didn't know what to make of the Mega Coven. I am assuming it was there for the comedy but, idk. Removes the dark nature of it all. But then, that level of darkness seems to be removed from the show now anyway. Demons seem to be comic relief also.

this was a Destiel shipper's dream if you like your romance flavored with beatings,

Yeah, I figured it might be. I'm not sure what's with all the beatings. Is it code for "I really want to have sex with you but I can't so I'll beat you instead? ;D. There was face touching so I figure that will have been giffed a lot!

the angel and demon at the bar need to have a balcony box, popcorn, and a pay raise.

LAUGHS!! Perfect.

I think the Js are as bored with it as we are.

From the way they talk in cons I would agree. Enough already!

Still this isn't the worst episode these 2 have written so that's a small comfort.

*nods*. It was probably pretty solid if you're into the whole demon, angel, witch sub plots. I find it hard to judge and be objective when I'm not very interested. That said, there have been D & A episodes in the past that have really held my interest - so maybe it's the writing.


24th-Oct-2015 10:07 pm (UTC)
Dean trying to get Crowley on the phone. *headdesk* What happened to summoning him, like they used to do.

Sam summoned Crowley at the end of 9.23, but Crowley didn't appear for him. Crowley answers his phone (or being summoned) only if he wants to.

Also, Dean isn't upset that Sam tried to kill Crowley... it's about the deal with Rowena being a secret. I don't think it's something that will cause a big rift between them. And yes, they're both keeping secrets.

After all the verbal abuse that Sam copped last season from MoC and demon!Dean surely they could make Dean a little more sympathetic toward Sam. I don't expect an apology but why have we had 3 episodes of this uncaring Dean toward Sam?

In 11.01 and 11.02, Dean asked Sam if he was ok. He does care about Sam. If Sam had been truthful with him, there would've been more opportunity for Dean to show how much he cares about Sam. But instead, the writers had Sam keep it a secret, and kept them apart for most of 11.02. The next ep focuses on Cas, and has Dean caring about him, instead of the focus being on the brothers reconnecting after being separated. And that's the problem. *sigh*

No mention of the infection that was so urgent during the first 2 episodes. And, unsurprisingly, no mention of the cure Sam found.

All that momentum gets dropped. I don't understand why.
26th-Oct-2015 12:33 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's something that will cause a big rift between them.

*phew* I hope not.

Dean asked Sam if he was ok.

Did he? Damn, I feel bad that I can't remember that. And I know Dean really does care about Sam. Always. I suppose I would just love to see that care translate more on the screen at times. Especially after everything that they've been through. But, I will be patient. ;)
25th-Oct-2015 01:08 am (UTC)
I also liked the scene with the angel and the demon in the bar best (and hoped they'd head out back for quickie).
25th-Oct-2015 11:06 am (UTC)
haha! Oh, now I want fic. :)

25th-Oct-2015 01:09 am (UTC)
LOL
25th-Oct-2015 11:05 am (UTC)
Hee, glad I can keep you amused…;)
26th-Oct-2015 12:58 am (UTC)
SIGH. You've summed up my feelings.

The bar scene was my fave, legit cracked up.
Jensen is meant to be a director.
Amara as a kiddo was cool
They whole angel/demon arc fsdkljlsj
Crowley doesn't seem as evil anymore and yeah everything just seems apathetic re: all of that

But then Sam and Dean come on the screen, and I'm like - oh yeah - those two idjits are my faves ever.
26th-Oct-2015 12:36 pm (UTC)
*nods* the boys on the screen always remind me why I am still obsessed with it. :))

Jensen seems like a great director. I always wonder if he'll continue after the show ends.
26th-Oct-2015 02:27 am (UTC)
I did love the angel-demon bar scene, and overall, Jensen did an utterly fantastic job with what he was given, but ultimately, when Sam and Dean weren't onscreen, I was bored. I'm hoping that now they're done with the "opening three" and can move on to what makes us love the show. *adjusts rose-colored glasses* I cannot WAIT to see the "Baby" episode!

Edited at 2015-10-26 02:27 am (UTC)
26th-Oct-2015 12:39 pm (UTC)
I cannot WAIT to see the "Baby" episode!

I CAN'T WAIT EITHER! If it's as good as it sounds then I should love it! :DD \o/

I know that not all eps will be great so I keep reminding myself that there's always the next one! :D
This page was loaded Nov 25th 2017, 11:27 am GMT.