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28th-Jan-2016 10:35 pm
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I swear this show gives me whiplash. Last week I was left feeling highly frustrated and annoyed, this week I'm left with a serious dose of warm fuzzies.

Aw Robbie Thompson. He sure knows how to tap into what fandom loves about the show. He's often criticised for that (which I get) but at a time when the show seems to be struggling to give (some) fans the thing that made them fall in love with the show in the first place, I think he provides a much needed balm.

Where with "Baby" and "Fan Fiction" he was writing "special" episodes that seemed almost independent of the series, this episode slotted itself into the current myth arc and worked as a solid MoTW.

I liked this episode a lot. I generally prefer MoTW eps (with small injections of myth arc), but this episode offered some quiet character notes that were successful due to Jared and Jensen's thoughtful performances and John Badham's compassionate direction. I love it when a director allows moments to linger. There was action, but he allowed the camera to stay on the actors in order to tell a deeper story. All the actors were strong in this episode and, as I have claimed before, I believe that comes down to the director.

A notable difference was Misha's performance as Lucifer. He's got huge shoes to fill after both Mark and Jared have played Lucifer, but this week's portrayal was more steady than last week's. I still think he has some "settling in" to do (namely getting rid of the face pulling), but it was certainly easier to watch.

But mostly it was the quiet characterisations and confirmation of the depth of love between the brothers that struck the biggest chord with me. I know we don't need to be constantly told that the boys love each other but it's bloody nice when do. I know it can be seen as fan pandering but at this stage (after 4 years of the brothers mostly being at odds with each other) I NEED THAT!


I just have to say…WHAT THE HELL is going on?! We have season after season of Sam sky-diving (leaving the scene so Dean can have a deep and meaningful with the character of the week) and pretty much being ignored (in terms of POV) and this season he's being given time to understand what's going on in his head. I am not complaining, but I'd love to know what's gone on behind the scenes to make this happen. Again - I'm not complaining! I'm loving it!

I am not going to dissect Sam's stuff because I just think there's too much disconnect (between what I feel I know about Sam and what the show tells me), but I will say this episode closed a chapter for him and I am glad about that. I think we can finally move past the "Sam didn't look for Dean - and the Amelia" storyline because this episode told us to. We will all have feeling/ideas/headcanons about that but this episode pretty much said "we're moving on now". And I am glad. Even though it ended up with Sam apologising (ugh - don't get me started), it fits into Sam's "I'm guilty of everything" characterisation and I'm just going with it. I hate that Sam continues to feel that he's let Dean down (and that Dean feels that Sam has actually let him down - even though he has also moved on from any of those let downs), but ranting about it is not going to achieve much. Let's just say it's probably the thing that makes me love Sam even more - he takes responsibility for hurting other people (even when he probably shouldn't).

I also loved that Sam was allowed to have emotions tied to his experience in the cage. He didn't just have to "get over it". The MoTW helped him connect to his feelings about his past, about Dean and about hunting. He was traumatised and we actually got to see that (be still my heart!)


So much love for Dean in this one. I am so so damn happy they have moved on from MoC (kind of a dick), full of guilt and self loathing Dean. I know "caring about Sam" is not everyone's favourite flavour of Dean, but it is mine. I don't hold the belief that everything about Dean has to be Sam, but I do love him being in-tune with Sam, trying to make Sam smile and just generally being nice to him. I prefer both of them being nice to each other actually. :) I would have liked Dean to counter Sam's apology with "we've both done things we regret" rather than confirm Sam needs to apologise for it, but it was nice to hear him say he's moved on and doesn't hold Sam countable (which I think was a message to fans. I'm sad they brought about a storyline in which that had to happen, but there it is).

It was also Dean's gentle nature with the victims, his sense of humour and genuine confusion over what's going on with Amara that I enjoyed. I really liked Jensen's performance in this ep - especially that final scene. It was wonderfully subtle.

We got more about his "connection" (attraction?) to Amara. This is really curious and I like that it's more complex than just a "trance". This episode suggests that Dean is feeling a level of love - it may not be real love, but for Dean it's giving him something he needs and possibly wants. Will this end up going anywhere? Who knows. The next writer might decide it's purely a supernatural bond and not explore Dean's deeper need to be in love. I might be reading too much into this, but it was one of the most intriguing elements in the episode. Delving into Dean's need for love is more interesting to me than his lack of self loathing. Though they are possibly connected.

Dean not telling Sam (but telling "Cas") is also interesting. I think it's mostly done to create the drama and tension, but in terms of the characterisation I think we can argue that Dean doesn't want to appear weak to Sam and as he doesn't really know what's going on he's afraid to say anything (in other words, I'm *handwaving*, because it's really only there to build up to some big reveal later on). Telling "Cas" gives Lucifer leverage and no doubt this will be used later on.


I loved the two female OC's - Eileen and Mildred. They were charming - and damn if they weren't me (ogling the boys!) It was nice that they ended up saving Sam and Dean - a nice twist. I love the introduction of a deaf hunter (though I suspect that would be tricky at times) - and that the actress playing her, Shoshannah Stern, is actually deaf. She brought a lot of heart to the role and it would be great to see her again. Dee Wallace as Mildred was gorgeous - a confident, flirty, content older woman appeals to me (for some reason…;D).

The brother banter was fun (and kinda delicious - if I wanted to "wincest" this ep it would be so damn easy!). It could have been cheesy, but the Js gave it heart and truth and pulled it off. It's great when they have the chance to play the roles as caring brothers rather than fighting each other. I don't know about you, but they seemed to embrace it (much like they did in "Baby").

Dean's vulnerable. Dean's "pining" for Amara. I'm so damn curious about this.

Lucifer on Earth seems to be about him genuinely wanting to smite Amara - which I suspect he'll probably do. Then Cas will have to beat him and…*meh* not going to speculate. Anything could happen I suppose.

Sam has a mementoes box. Nice addition to canon. It had the fake amulet in it (Robbie's choice I suspect) and pics of him and Dean as teens (swoon) and the famous family pic that he gave to Dean to break the MoC spell. And yeah - I'm sure Dean's real amulet is in there too. ;) It opens up that possibility now doesn't it?

More brother touching! This time it's Sam's turn to fuss over Dean. <3

Dean bashing his head against the wall freaked me out! That's gotta be some concussion.

"As long as we're together". Damn it show! Don't turn this on it's head in the next few eps. Ok? Good.

Beautiful bro mirroring with Sam starting out as the one tossing and turning in bed and it ending with Dean doing that.

Aw Robbie. As much as I don't like it when writers tap into fan's desires because they follow what we're up to on-line, I kinda love it too. If an episode leaves me with those kind of warm fuzzies I'll take it. So much better than feeling bitter and frustrated.
28th-Jan-2016 03:16 pm (UTC)
Dean's need for love...

That part was interesting and made me very curious, since Mildred tells Dean he should "follow his heart," and that he's "pining" for someone, and "Cas" suggess that Dean feels some kind of attraction for Amara (as you say, now we can see the bond between them is more than just Dean being in some kind of trance). I also couldn't help wondering whether Cas is conscious and listening to every word...?

I think we can finally move past the "Sam didn't look for Dean - and the Amelia" storyline because this episode told us to.

I think you're right, and this is good advice, even if I can't let it go emotionally yet. And I accept your take on Sam's apology, since, as you point out, ..it fits into Sam's "I'm guilty of everything" characterisation... and ...it's probably the thing that makes me love Sam even more - he takes responsibility for hurting other people (even when he probably shouldn't). Agreed, even if it hurts like hell and now I need Dean to apologize for Gadreel about 500 times worse than I did before!

I'm reserving judgment on Misha's portrayal of Lucifer for the time being, although it was fun to watch that scene and see Dean's reaction to "Cas" putting his hand on his shoulder, and telling Sam later that Cas seemed a little "off"...It worries me to know that Sam's rapist and torturer is free in the world and I'm in constant dread of the inevitable confrontation to come, but the writer in me LOVES all the possibilities. Is that wrong? Oh dear...
28th-Jan-2016 03:37 pm (UTC)
I think they have opened up what's happening with Dean and Amara - though we'll need a lot more before we really know what they've planned (I kind of hope it's not like the Mark where he has to be "snapped" out of it by someone else - it would be interesting to see them go somewhere different with this).

I also couldn't help wondering whether Cas is conscious and listening to every word…?

Sam could, so I will assume Cas can? Which will make for him fighting Cas later on I suspect.

Agreed, even if it hurts like hell and now I need Dean to apologise for Gadreel about 500 times worse than I did before!

I want this more than anything I've ever wanted from the show. A mirror scene with Dean acknowledging he crossed a line doing it. I don't care if he admits to needing to keep Sam alive but some just some understanding of the damage it did to Sam (though I think the Show doesn't see it that way so we might not even get that. I hang on to hope though…:).

but the writer in me LOVES all the possibilities. Is that wrong?

Haha! Nope! Not at all. :)) I hope they do something interesting things with it all!
28th-Jan-2016 04:41 pm (UTC)
Last weeks episode didn't hit me as hard as it did you but the one thing that bothered me was the bringing up Amelia thing. I like what the writer this week did with what he was given- like you said it felt in character with Sam to apologize and I feel like we can move on. My head canon will always think Sam thought Dean was dead but I can move on with Sam and Dean. Ditto to all your other thoughts as well! ;)
29th-Jan-2016 10:27 am (UTC)
Yeah, it at least gave it all some conclusion. And the fact that Sam said "I stopped" leaves it open for us to interpret that in a way that resonates with us. For me I can take it as Sam's life just stopped and he just didn't know what to do. It could even mean he tried but he stopped looking. Either one works in my head canon. :)
28th-Jan-2016 04:49 pm (UTC)
I swear, my feels always mirror yours pretty much exactly. This ep was just like, like being squeezed up in a massive, comforting, sorry-I-hurt-you-so-much hug.

I, too, appreciated the fan service. It was kinda necessary, tbh, and it felt good.
29th-Jan-2016 10:28 am (UTC)
haha! Brain twins!

There are times I need the fan service. And Robbie is dam good at that.

(ooh, lovely user pic)
28th-Jan-2016 07:19 pm (UTC)
I loved the scene with Dean gazing at the poster in front of the retirement home - cute elderly couple smiling- and immediately thought about he and Sam ending up in a place like that and being more than okay with it. Kind of makes me want to write fic again!

Okay, this is weird. I actually didn't even notice the fake amulet in the box, but for some reason, I decided to re-watch the ending of "Fan Fiction" because this one put me in that mood. And I just watched the amulet swinging from rear view window and wondered - continuity....what happened to that thing?

And then I read your recap and now I know! :)
29th-Jan-2016 10:42 am (UTC)
That moment in front of the cute elderly couple was adorable!! I meant to mention that in my post actually. This ep was full of lovely little moments like that. :))

The amulet was a cute little addition (and I admit I didn't notice it at first. Some tweets alerted me to it (I think I rely on others and all their observations these days!). It was a nice touch - especially as I thought we'd never see it mentioned again. And how damn heartbreaking that Sam would be holding onto that - especially if he did let the other one stay in the trash.
28th-Jan-2016 07:54 pm (UTC)
i liked the ep but, the last 10 mins nearly ruined it for me; he may have forgiven Sam but, he's still lying to Sam about Amarra and him telling Casifer, seemingly unaware at the moment that something's wrong. and not Sam it hurts and a hypocritical move on his part. had they had Dean say i'm sorry Sam for 1, 2, 3 it might of been much better for me :( felt like an unresolved scene. the episode ended for me when they were saying goodbye to Eileen and Mildred <3. B+ without the end scene for me, i will forget it. next week, is not Supernatural its Jody with teenage mutant ninja hunters who calls Sam and Dean for help. i'll be back for episode 13, when Supernatural is back

Edited at 2016-01-28 07:59 pm (UTC)
29th-Jan-2016 10:46 am (UTC)
Dean not telling Sam (and telling Casifer) is purely for drama's sake I don't take it too badly because I actually see this as part of the plotting. Dean is often hypocritical - it's been a part of his character since "what's dead should stay dead". I mean yeah, it's bloody frustrating - but I think it's purely part of the tension that's being created.

I like that, for Sam, he was able to get it off his chest. Dean was in a listening mood, and that was great to see.
28th-Jan-2016 08:10 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on Sam this season. I don't know why they suddenly decided to start USING him instead of finding ways to get rid of him, but I like it!!!
29th-Jan-2016 10:46 am (UTC)
Me too! So wonderfully refreshing! :))
28th-Jan-2016 08:31 pm (UTC)
Not much to say about this one that you haven't addressed. When I first watched it I felt a bit disappointed that they seemed to have wrapped up the MOTW part rather quickly, but after rewatching it I just feel like that doesn't matter.

I did enjoy this one quite a bit. The brother stuff was wonderful. Both Jared and Jensen did an awesome job with this one. And I didn't know the actress who played Eileen was actually deaf. She and Dee Wallace did a wonderful job, I really enjoyed both of their characters.

And yes, I'm VERY glad that it seems we can finally move on from the "Sam didn't look for Dean" thing from S8.

All in all, I really did enjoy this one. Warm fuzzies indeed! Ahhhh. :)
29th-Jan-2016 11:03 am (UTC)
Moving on from that crazy storyline is probably a relief - though I confess to hoping for more from Dean (in terms of him seeing his hypocrisy) one day in the future. In the meantime - it helped Sam, so I gotta take what I can (poor baby).

And I didn't know the actress who played Eileen was actually deaf.

I looked her up because I was curious. It just seemed so real - and their was no attempt at pretence. I love that they actually cast it like that.
28th-Jan-2016 08:46 pm (UTC)
I have been really enjoying this season. The brother scenes are fun, serious, and usually heart-warming, especially when they include brother banter, yay!

All the Sam scenes - interacting with other characters, being the hero, looking fabulous - I had missed how much I enjoy Jared's acting with how stinted his role has been through the last few seasons.

Could Jensen be any more adorable?! And, I even liked Misha's acting this episode.

I think season 11 is my favorite season since season six.
29th-Jan-2016 11:05 am (UTC)
*nods* probably my fave season since the Carver era. :)

At least the brothers aren't being awful to each other. And I am glad they seem to be working well together (even though Dean is still holding back the truth).
29th-Jan-2016 01:03 am (UTC)
Thanks for this review! Every time the brothers actually talk to each other about what's going on with themselves I get very happy.
29th-Jan-2016 11:06 am (UTC)
Yeah, we got some lovely character moments. It felt like a little more insight into their lives, without it being over melodramatic (which, yep, I think they can do sometimes.../o\)
29th-Jan-2016 02:22 am (UTC)
Oh, I did not notice the fake amulet in Sam's box! That is awesome!

This just felt like such a solid episode, a decent case and lots of Sam, Dean, and Sam'n'Dean moments!

The beer can toss in the final scene!!!

I thought Dean telling 'Cas' about his confusion re: Amara made sense from the point of Dean 'big brothering' it and not wanting to worry Sam who is already stressed. And I am very anxious about Lucifer knowing this information--when he said it could be useful in tracking Amara down, I don't think Lucifer will particularly care what happens to Dean after that!

We're not going to get 'because I thought you were dead' from Sam...I think Robbie gave us the best resolution he could...

I love that they used a deaf actress!
29th-Jan-2016 11:10 am (UTC)
Fake amulet yay!! \o/

The beer can toss in the final scene!!!

Awesome! I now have a desire to gif all the tosses to each other they do (even the missed ones). It's fast becoming a Winchester thing (well, probably a J& J thing. :))

We're not going to get 'because I thought you were dead' from Sam...I think Robbie gave us the best resolution he could…

He did. I actually liked that Sam said "I stopped". It suggests that either his life just stopped or he did at least try but stopped. Either interpretation leaves it open for us to grasp onto something. I would love for Dean not to have "forgiven" Sam, but rather say "we both do regretful things because we are each others weakness", but, yeah, we got as good as we could expect at this time.

Happier to have some squee this time around…;)
29th-Jan-2016 04:42 am (UTC)
29th-Jan-2016 11:11 am (UTC)
hehe, nicer to feel upbeat this time…;) Good ole Robbie and his ability to give us what we need.
29th-Jan-2016 04:34 pm (UTC)
I love love love loved it!!! The motw, with touches of mytharch, some brotherly moments and talking, two strong female characters (and I'm with you bring back Eileen - kickass and sweet, and I really enjoyed seeing her and Sam bond. More of her please!) - it just worked for me! (And apparently I'm a sucker for Robbie's writing, and I don't even care. I loved it! Give me more!)

I adored the sunset and graveyard scene, and Sam's memory box of treasures (was that Dean's ring in there?) was a perfect touch. It felt very Sam.

It would seem that Robbie was doing his best to smooth over another fan gripe ie the purgatory issue, while I'm not thrilled about it, I'm with you it feel like we were leaving it behind, and at least there's some attempt at closure here; we'll just have to move on (unless they're setting something up? Another situation where Sam will find himself all alone (Cas and Lucifer, Dean and Amara) A rewrite?

Thank you for sharing your thinky thoughts :)
30th-Jan-2016 10:36 am (UTC)
*nods* and *nods*

The sunset scene was gorgeous! I suspect there will be more between Lucifer and Sam - and how horrifying will it be for Sam knowing that Lucifer is out of the cage again. Argh!

I would love it is Sam didn't have to keep apologising for stuff that has happened to him. But it is very Sam.

I'm very curious to see where they take it now. :)
29th-Jan-2016 08:18 pm (UTC)
I was really entertained by this episode too! Upon rewatch, I wished Robbie Thompson had been a stronger writer but that didn't stop me from feeling bunches of warm fuzzies over much of the hour. (And by “stronger writer”, I don't mean the actual structure of the script but the prose itself and how certain important plotpoints were delivered. Which mostly means dialogue, but annnywhoooo...)

Badham did a lovely job with those lingered shots, YES. Nicely chosen! Not in small part because the boys looked absolutely attractive. The graveyard scene was especially moody and gorgeous. Objectification FTW.* Mildred is my mentor.

*sorry/not sorry

Agreed, too, re. Misha's turn as Lucifer. He's still caricaturing a bit, but getting better. It's a fun character to watch, regardless.


“...this season he's being given time to understand what's going on in his head ...I'd love to know what's gone on behind the scenes to make this happen.”

I KNOW, RIGHT? It's been pretty commonly held that from the get-go, Dean was our POV character. One only has to read Kripke's original script (https://www.scribd.com/doc/886560/Earliest-Pilot-draft) for that to be clear. Sam was more closed off, a cipher. But it made sense, because Sam was the one with secrets (that not even he himself knew, at first). As the series progressed, especially beyond S5, that protocol started to bite the show on the ass, I think. Not even the writers themselves understood Sam's mindset because he'd seldom been the POV character, and now they needed to grow the show. Is it possible that finally, a memo was passed around defining Sam's current POV as it pertains to the S11 storyline? Dare we assume this?? Whatever happened, I LIKE IT KEEP IT UP.

You and I share the same feelings about Sam's early S8 fiasco and I agree: the show tied up that dangling thread and at least it's finished. There's a level of closure on it. The anvil of Sam's confession that he let Dean down and he'll never do it again has been dropped in this episode as well as the one preceding, so I think we can be safe to assume this will be important to near-future events. Personally? I can't wait! :D


There's been a lot of kerfuffle about Mildred's observation that Dean is pining over someone. Midred saw it as romantic pining, but I think we all know it's something else. Dean has a preternatural connection to Amara, whether he (or fandom) likes it or not, and he's right to be afraid of that. Let's face it, Dean is a bit of a hedonist and one of Amara's weapons is her ability to instill euphoria, so hey, he's primed for her manipulations.

I was thoroughly charmed by him and Mildred together. MilDean, anyone? ;)


Man, I hope Cas can pull a Sam and override Lucifer, because if not? Cas, in his zeal to be 'not expendable' has given the Devil a very potent weapon. All. That. Information. Daaaayum. The Winchesters have Lucifer strolling around the bunker. And they thought Gadreel was trouble...

Eileen and Mildred

Loved 'em. Dee Wallace, as Mildred, gave the character's lecherous ways real sweetness and spunk, instead of, well, lechery. And Shoshannah was a cool and diverse addition to the hunting pool. I liked that she was 30+ and pragmatic and resourceful without being perfect. We have this 'thing' in character writing now, the hallowed Strong Female Character™, and it kinda drives me nuts. I'd rather have a character who's strong (but human and genuinely complex and yes, flawed too), that just so happens to be female. This might be because I buck labels in general, but I think it's evolved into this sort of synonym for a Mary Sue. Eileen dodged this bullet via Shoshannah's modest performance. I'd love to see her character developed further.

Egads, enough from me! Tl;dr already. Let's just say we both dug this episode! And here's to more of it. :D
30th-Jan-2016 10:53 am (UTC)
Always great to be able to write about the positives about an ep that be bogged down by the negative! And I'm happy that I walked away from this one feeling satisfied. :)

Is it possible that finally, a memo was passed around defining Sam's current POV as it pertains to the S11 storyline?

It would be nice wouldn't it? I did wonder if Jared had anything to do with it - maybe a request to have a chance for viewers to see what's going on in his head (and not just Dean's). Perhaps the message is getting through that viewers sometimes hate on Sam because of his lack of POV. I swear the hate that came out of S9 for Sam was simply because they didn't once attempt to show us his inner feelings.

It was pretty clear that Dean's "pining" was for Amara (even though I know some fans will swear it's someone else ;D) - I think that calm feeling he gets when he's with her is very important for Dean. It's something he really needs - and who can blame him. He's had many negatives and feeling something good must be amazing (though, poor Dean, it's not going to end well…).

Hee - and definitely love some MilDean :) And some Eileen/Sam! Loved the chemistry between them. Sam seemed genuinely happy when he was with her - she helped him heal.

The women were great - once again, maybe the message is getting across that women can be "strong" and "real" at the same time. I also put it down to the quality performances (and direction). Would love to see more of them!

I was more excited by the idea of Lucifer being out of the cage in this episode. I'm still annoyed with the way it came about, but him being on Earth is rather delicious and it will give Cas something to do in the 2nd half of the season. Plus is must be nice for Misha to be playing something a bit different. He'll hopefully settle into the role a little more as he gets into it. I can see the potential!

Imagine how Sam (and Dean) will react when they find out Lucifer is out of his cage. Just when Sam is beginning to heal. And will be feel responsibly for putting him back in again? He'll no doubt feel some guilt for thinking he needed to go back there in the first place. We'll see!!

And never TL;dr! You know I love hearing thinky thoughts! <3
29th-Jan-2016 09:51 pm (UTC)
Thumbs up from me too for this one.

For a change I liked how the female characters were portrayed. Dee Wallace struck a lovely note of wistful contentment with a huge streak of joie de vivre that reminds me of the women I know. Shoshannah Stern was both strong and vulnerable, brave and determined in a way that was both natural and moving, her moments with Sam were some of the best I've seen for some time and I hope we get to spend more time with her in the future.

The banshee SFX were excellent and the visuals, especially the lighting and set sequences were a treat.

There's definitely a closeness to the brothers again this season that's been sorely missed, it's in the script but it's also in the acting, there's a rhythm of life that's only shared by those that spend all their time together that's impossible not to relate to and it played out throughout the episode in a back and forth that's as familiar to the show as the opening credits.

Lucifer has the potential to be a very interesting player, I find him pretending to be Castiel far less annoying! :P So, we are to gather now that Lucifer knows everything Castiel knows? That's a ticking time bomb if ever there was one, not sure if they're going to use him to drive a wedge between the brothers, wouldn't be surprised if they do, just hope it doesn't last long as I'm enjoying this even keel far too much.

I'm not saying any more about the 'apology' or the 'Amara confession' other than both scenes played out very much in character for me, both acted and reacted in a way I've come to expect of them and how they behave around and toward each other. I honestly didn't see that much 'fan service', I felt many scenes played out feeling genuine to the situation... but as I've said before, I'm not really around fandom any longer, haven't set foot in Tumblr for yonks and don't have Twitter either, which seems to be where fandom plays these days, so probably a pile of shit just flew over my head. I don't have to duck any longer! Hee,
30th-Jan-2016 11:14 am (UTC)
For a change I liked how the female characters were portrayed.

Very much so. Having an older woman enjoy her life and sexuality was great (and damn it, if Dean walked into my life like that I'd be swooning all over the place too!). But Dee brought a lovely sincerity that gave the character heart also.

And i agree re the SFX. The banshee was even scary!

There's definitely a closeness to the brothers again this season that's been sorely missed

So much. And even with their secret between them (for drama), they at least seem more comfortable together. The Js seem to bring that so easily and its definitely the thing I still love about the show.

I find him pretending to be Castiel far less annoying!

Yeah, I agree. I actually liked what Misha was doing there - just a slightly "off" version of Cas, which he can do comfortably.

And the potential for Lucifer to mess around with the boys is delicious. I also love that it instantly gives us a reason why he doesn't just kill them. He will love "playing" them and also using them to get to Amara (and who knows what his real end game is yet). So yeah, I do like the idea of Lu being out of the cage (just not the way it came about) - it should make for some interesting moments.

I'm not saying any more about the 'apology' or the 'Amara confession' other than both scenes played out very much in character for me

I agree, that it was very true to their characters. Dean telling "Cas" and not Sam works because of the way he wants Sam to look up to him (still) and Sam feeling guilty and sorry for what happened all those years ago makes sense for Sam also.

The "fan servicing" is a reputation Robbie has amongst some fans because of Baby and Fan Fiction. He takes notices of what fans are saying on-line and (I think) takes it to heart. Personally, I don't mind it. I like that he makes an attempt to get it "right" in terms of what the fans love about the show.

30th-Jan-2016 09:31 am (UTC)
I hate to seem hardline but I do not get warm fuzzies with the brothers anymore esp since season 9 which has proved to be my line crossed season.

I did love the two ladies both Mildred and Eileen and her potential friendeship with Sam , it would be nice to see them again at some point .

As for the apology I will leave that alone for me Sam did enough in Sacrifice for that to of been brought up 3 yrs later .They need to start looking at others for apologies .
30th-Jan-2016 11:18 am (UTC)
Hi. I understand how hard it is to get wam fuzzies from the boys after the roller coaster seasons we've had. I think these days I take what I can get! But mostly, I felt the Js added a lot of warmth to the roles in this episode and that's the feeling I was left with.

It would be lovely to see Eileen and Mildred again, I agree. :)

Sam has done enough over and over and over again to not apologise for not looking (he stuck by Dean all through him being a demon - and trying to kill him and when he was affected by the Moc - and trying to kill him again). As much as I would have loved Dean to say "you don't need to apologise for anything", it was in character (I thought) for both of them to do what they did (and yep, I often want to *shake* them for it).
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