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5th-May-2016 11:07 pm
That's Just not right
A very short, very negative reaction. Please be warned (I mean it. Not a happy camper - so, you know, don't click).

(*meep* and my comments are full of unmitigated bitterness too. So yeah. Don't read! You know the drill!)

That, quite possibly, has become the most rage inducing episode for me in the history of the show.

All I can say is FUCK THEM and their manipulative, canon and character destroying bullshit. I used to like Robbie, but now I'm just *side eyeing*

(I had a heap of stuff written up but I just couldn't post it. Too ragey and messy. I hope to gather myself and write a constructive crit on why that episode was the ultimate in mockery and manipulation. Or maybe it will come up in comments).

(and no, Dean calling "SAAAM!" didn't make things better - though the hair petting went some way in helping...;D)

ETA: Dammit, I have to add - making God real is the single worse thing they could ever have done. Just think about what he's allowed Sam and Dean to suffer (Rape, torture, loss etc etc). And think about how, with a snap of his finger he could change EVERYTHING. Every. Single, Thing. Curious to see how they write themselves out of that one.
6th-May-2016 01:58 am (UTC)

Sorry it didn't do it for you. I am kinda surprised about the rage, though. Haha. Maybe I'm alone but I LOVED it. (And rage/hate always shocks me when I really like something even though "Meh" does not. It doesn't seem like Im ever gonna outgrow that tendemcy) I've always thought Chuck was God...way before I was ever in Fandom and, aside from being right, it has always fascinated me to ponder that possibility because it just fits somehow (in my understanding based on my own particular upbringing and even though the idea of Amara being God's sister has been hard to swallow, the concept of creation and destruction makes sense.)

I laughed out loud regarding the comment regarding Bugs (we tell all our friends who are starting to watch to just skip that one) and was literally moved to tears when Metatron talks about not caring that he was the closest angel to the door because he loved God. I just think they handled something pretty damg well that could, at best, go horribly wrong and, at worst, be completely offensive. Plus, I can't see them introducing God's sister into the mix and not bringing God in. That would have been the real letdown for me. And I probably would have been supremely irritated if it was a new character altogether, even if I hadn't suspected Chuck. Then I would have seen it as a total Dues Ex Machina when I've come to expect a certain symmetry in this show.

Even the distinction that Lucifer isn't a villain made sense because Chuck amended that he "wasn't a villain" after Metatron gave him the universal look for "are you effing kidding me right now?" I didn't catch that on the first viewing and it makes sense that an eternal being might have problems with tenses.

And the Samulet. Wow, wow, wow am I ever happy about that, though I'm left to ponder if Sam kept it with him the whole damn time and God, being God, knew it? Or if God kept it with Sam, hidden in plain sight. Either option gives me all the feels because, either way, it was IN SAM'S POCKET. Oh. My. Chuck. That, alone, is worth the price of admission and deeply satisfying. Maybe I'm easy. Maybe it's pandering. I don't know and, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass if it is.   I am just so glad that the Samulet was important enough to this writer to bring it full circle.

6th-May-2016 02:04 am (UTC)
Hey hun! Thanks for stopping by with your lovely positive comments. I am really am happy so many people loved it. And I know I am out of step with many I am usually in step with!

I won't respond to your points because it won't be fair to harsh your squee. Probably just to say that the things that have been making people squee (namely the amulet and Chuck as God) are the things that have made me rage the most. Sadly because I don't want it to be the case. And maybe once I get used to the fact the amulet is back I will get past the anger I feel about that. In fact, I'm sure I will. It will just take time and perhaps next season *g*
6th-May-2016 02:38 am (UTC)

Well, I totally get that, for sure. Not sure  you could harsh my squee. In fact, its been so long  since ive posted thinkie thoughts that, even though squeeing your harsh and making you feel better isn't a truly realistic outcome, it has been nice to talk about show. Haha, your rage did that for me. Thanks for being mad!!

And I rambled more about the nature of God below probably nonsensically. I'm out of practice (or tired from 10hr day) Or both.

Admittedly, where do they go once God is in the picture? (Much like how do they top putting Lucifer back into his cage)

Honestly, as much as I'd like to see Sam and Dean on my screen forever, realistically, what do they have? One more season? Perhaps there will be an organic conclusion in that we've fully explored the mytharc.

6th-May-2016 02:23 am (UTC)

Oh, and I am not certain how Chuck being God makes it somehow worse that he let bad things happen to good people, i.e., Sam and Dean, as this has been something many folks struggle with in relation to the concept of God in general. If he was Chuck the whole time, he was still God. Maybe I'm not getting what you are saying, exactly. Is it easier that he was absent? Easier to think of him as a character we don't know (and love)? Does that make it better (easier) that he allowed Sam and Dean to experience terrible things?

At which point having Chuck be God becomes even more fascinating a choice because it makes this struggle more 'real' to the viewer. As a believer, it has been a lifelong struggle to reconcile the God who loves me with the God who allowed tragedy to impact my life. Boring angels aside, it is probably why this Long running mytharc has resonated with me all this time.

6th-May-2016 07:08 am (UTC)
Essentially my problem with God being "real" is that it means that it's now canon that he knew what Sam was going to be suffering in Swan Song and did nothing about it. And absent God IS easier for me to accept because I do perceive the notion of God as uncaring and not bothered with what goes on - the show was matching my ideas of what God is. The episode touched on that - he just doesn't care (he's too big to care). I've always accepted that he's just not known about their struggles. Any suggestions that God has been around in the show I've taken as the show playing with us. I like the mystic of that, but now it's confirmed that he took front seat on what they've been doing leading up to Sam's fall I just can't get my head around that.

Also, God as a concept in the show is huge. As in, I will need a damn good reason next episode why he doesn't immediately ease the suffering of people around the world - especially innocent children. I wanted God to remain mysterious and unknown because we don't have to answer those questions. For me even if he had charged Chuck with some of his powers to help Sam and Dean out this time I would have found it more acceptable. I have no issue with Chuck returning, or even Metatron redeeming himself (though I will never forgive him as a character) - it's just the new entry into canon and what it means for everything that has gone past. As it is, God is the most powerful being we know of (until they perhaps introduce a more powerful one?) so he can do anything. Absolutely anything - so next episode when he doesn't I will be wanting to know why (and maybe they'll address that in the first scene, so I'll wait and see).

So mostly, it's just problematic for me. But I'm really happy for those who loved it. And in time I might be able to look back and see it in the bigger picture and enjoy it on a new level. :)
6th-May-2016 07:48 am (UTC)
As it is, God is the most powerful being we know of (until they perhaps introduce a more powerful one?)

Since God has a sister he might also have a parent... The OverGod, coming down in the finale, scolding his kids, taking them (and his grandson Luci) and the angels home, grounding them and resetting earth to its orginal state. How is that for a fitting end for this season?
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6th-May-2016 12:12 pm (UTC)
haha! I did think this! Chuck and Amara's parents (and maybe even their grandparents) could be the next big bad! In fact, it could be a spin off. All the the (God's) Family. :)
6th-May-2016 11:45 am (UTC)

Yeah, I can see that. It is easier to think in general that God is there but things just play out, good or ill, as they do. I admit to thinking along these lines alot of the time because it hurts to think, "why me?" Easier to think "stuff just happens"

It is odd that to Chuck's perspective he "saved them." True, they lived through the apocalypse but Dean suffered terribly and started it while Sam ended it a suffered terribly.

It's heartbreaking but it reflects the human experience. What they do next may ruin it all. I don't know. But they've created Amara to be as powerful as God. Even He needed help hiding her away the first time. Whatever they do, I don't see God being around for very long, tbh.

6th-May-2016 12:19 pm (UTC)
I agree. I think where they go next is crucial to how all this plays out. It could be handled extremely well - and they actually examine the can of worms this has opened. But history tells us (well, me) that what they are doing now serves only the purpose of the story right now and past mistakes and suffering caused by him not caring will not be addressed at all. I know Beren's is writing 11.22 so I hold out that he'll somehow make sense of all this for me (he usually does).
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