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5th-May-2016 11:07 pm
That's Just not right
A very short, very negative reaction. Please be warned (I mean it. Not a happy camper - so, you know, don't click).

(*meep* and my comments are full of unmitigated bitterness too. So yeah. Don't read! You know the drill!)

That, quite possibly, has become the most rage inducing episode for me in the history of the show.

All I can say is FUCK THEM and their manipulative, canon and character destroying bullshit. I used to like Robbie, but now I'm just *side eyeing*

(I had a heap of stuff written up but I just couldn't post it. Too ragey and messy. I hope to gather myself and write a constructive crit on why that episode was the ultimate in mockery and manipulation. Or maybe it will come up in comments).

(and no, Dean calling "SAAAM!" didn't make things better - though the hair petting went some way in helping...;D)

ETA: Dammit, I have to add - making God real is the single worse thing they could ever have done. Just think about what he's allowed Sam and Dean to suffer (Rape, torture, loss etc etc). And think about how, with a snap of his finger he could change EVERYTHING. Every. Single, Thing. Curious to see how they write themselves out of that one.
6th-May-2016 02:23 am (UTC)

Oh, and I am not certain how Chuck being God makes it somehow worse that he let bad things happen to good people, i.e., Sam and Dean, as this has been something many folks struggle with in relation to the concept of God in general. If he was Chuck the whole time, he was still God. Maybe I'm not getting what you are saying, exactly. Is it easier that he was absent? Easier to think of him as a character we don't know (and love)? Does that make it better (easier) that he allowed Sam and Dean to experience terrible things?

At which point having Chuck be God becomes even more fascinating a choice because it makes this struggle more 'real' to the viewer. As a believer, it has been a lifelong struggle to reconcile the God who loves me with the God who allowed tragedy to impact my life. Boring angels aside, it is probably why this Long running mytharc has resonated with me all this time.

6th-May-2016 07:08 am (UTC)
Essentially my problem with God being "real" is that it means that it's now canon that he knew what Sam was going to be suffering in Swan Song and did nothing about it. And absent God IS easier for me to accept because I do perceive the notion of God as uncaring and not bothered with what goes on - the show was matching my ideas of what God is. The episode touched on that - he just doesn't care (he's too big to care). I've always accepted that he's just not known about their struggles. Any suggestions that God has been around in the show I've taken as the show playing with us. I like the mystic of that, but now it's confirmed that he took front seat on what they've been doing leading up to Sam's fall I just can't get my head around that.

Also, God as a concept in the show is huge. As in, I will need a damn good reason next episode why he doesn't immediately ease the suffering of people around the world - especially innocent children. I wanted God to remain mysterious and unknown because we don't have to answer those questions. For me even if he had charged Chuck with some of his powers to help Sam and Dean out this time I would have found it more acceptable. I have no issue with Chuck returning, or even Metatron redeeming himself (though I will never forgive him as a character) - it's just the new entry into canon and what it means for everything that has gone past. As it is, God is the most powerful being we know of (until they perhaps introduce a more powerful one?) so he can do anything. Absolutely anything - so next episode when he doesn't I will be wanting to know why (and maybe they'll address that in the first scene, so I'll wait and see).

So mostly, it's just problematic for me. But I'm really happy for those who loved it. And in time I might be able to look back and see it in the bigger picture and enjoy it on a new level. :)
6th-May-2016 07:48 am (UTC)
As it is, God is the most powerful being we know of (until they perhaps introduce a more powerful one?)

Since God has a sister he might also have a parent... The OverGod, coming down in the finale, scolding his kids, taking them (and his grandson Luci) and the angels home, grounding them and resetting earth to its orginal state. How is that for a fitting end for this season?
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6th-May-2016 12:12 pm (UTC)
haha! I did think this! Chuck and Amara's parents (and maybe even their grandparents) could be the next big bad! In fact, it could be a spin off. All the the (God's) Family. :)
6th-May-2016 11:45 am (UTC)

Yeah, I can see that. It is easier to think in general that God is there but things just play out, good or ill, as they do. I admit to thinking along these lines alot of the time because it hurts to think, "why me?" Easier to think "stuff just happens"

It is odd that to Chuck's perspective he "saved them." True, they lived through the apocalypse but Dean suffered terribly and started it while Sam ended it a suffered terribly.

It's heartbreaking but it reflects the human experience. What they do next may ruin it all. I don't know. But they've created Amara to be as powerful as God. Even He needed help hiding her away the first time. Whatever they do, I don't see God being around for very long, tbh.

6th-May-2016 12:19 pm (UTC)
I agree. I think where they go next is crucial to how all this plays out. It could be handled extremely well - and they actually examine the can of worms this has opened. But history tells us (well, me) that what they are doing now serves only the purpose of the story right now and past mistakes and suffering caused by him not caring will not be addressed at all. I know Beren's is writing 11.22 so I hold out that he'll somehow make sense of all this for me (he usually does).
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