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13th-Apr-2017 10:22 pm
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Better late than never?

To be honest I didn't feel like I had much to say on this episode and so I didn't posted anything. But because I am slightly OCD I can't miss posting something about 12.17 (there would be a gap and I just can't have that *g*).

Actually, I'm still stuck for what to say. There were some bits I really liked - Eileen mostly - but essentially I just didn't connect with the episode at all. There was precious little SamnDean *sadface* and all the side stories just left me a little cold. I'm puzzled why so much (and so many characters) had to be crammed into the one episode - Eileen, Mick, BMoL, Crowley, Lucifer, Mary, Ketch and, er, Sam and Dean. Mick's story alone would probably have been enough to tackle. They were building his backstory nicely and then... BHAM! Dead.

I think I was supposed to feel sympathetic toward Mick but I struggled because I just couldn't get past the fact he killed his best friend when he was a child. I know the poor guy was being horribly manipulated by the (simply AWFUL) BMoL but to actually have it in him to kill his best friend... I struggled to sympathise (though I loved what the actor did with the character in his short time).

And don't even get me started on what they are doing with Mary. I saw this interesting post on tumblr about the inconsistencies of Mary's characterisation this season. I agree with much of this. I have been bouncing between being really interested in what they are doing and being horrified. Sam and Dean are now working with the BMoL so why is she still not working with them? I totally understood her needing some time to adjust but being totally aloof with her boys just doesn't work now.

I enjoyed the connection between Eileen and Sam - it was sweet, but I worry that if they become an item later on some horrible fate will become her. So let's just hope they remain friends and just a fellow hunter. :)

Anyway. I'm now just hanging out for those rare MoTW gems. Sam and Dean don't have a storyline this season - which has its upside in that they aren't at odds with each other - but it also makes it hard for me to actually connect with some of the episodes. Still, I like the boys in the screen so I'm still here! :D
13th-Apr-2017 03:49 pm (UTC)
Yes, I know what you mean, there is a bit of a disconnect here due to the brothers not being directly involved in the story lines.

There were hits and misses for me, but Eileen and Sam couldn't be cuter if they tried. I loved the Impala POV cam/computer conversation with the boys and Eileen, I loved every Eileen and Sam scene, I loved Mick standing up for himself (but gutted that he didn't at least last another few episodes), and I loved the boys having the colt back and Dean's "Welcome back sweetheart" line.

Mick needing to kill the boy made no sense to me - how does not that break the code about not killing BMoL members? I'm sure it was there to show us how evil and manipulative they are, but I'm not sure how effective that was in terms of Mick's character - to show how much he's changed?

I think Mary was purely there to show how Ketch is going to struggle to kill her, but I'm hoping that she will end up killing him to protect the boys. Buy yes, why bring her back if she's not going to interact with her boys? I want some family time connections, and while we're being told that she wants to hunt and be a mother, all they're giving us is hunter Mary which I find frustrating.

Also the lazy writing was a little annoying too (demons have x-ray vision now? And Dagon has mind control? I'm sure Azazel would have found that very useful. I wonder if it will work on Sam?)

I've never craved a MOTW episode with brothers being brothers this much before! Please show!!!

Take care :)
14th-Apr-2017 10:46 am (UTC)
but Eileen and Sam couldn't be cuter if they tried.

agreed! They were adorable. :)

I loved Mick standing up for himself (but gutted that he didn't at least last another few episodes),

Yes. I was surprised he didn't last longer. It did serve to show us how awful and ruthless the BMoL are.

to show how much he's changed?

Possibly - and to show how ruthless he can actually be (though its also inconsistent because he's the one that hadn't actually "killed" monsters - until the vamp episode.

but I'm hoping that she will end up killing him to protect the boys.

I think that's probably how she'll redeem herself in the end. Or Ketch might be conflicted as he gets to know the boys better etc.

Also the lazy writing was a little annoying too

I find the Duo episodes always rather annoying. They merrily add their own canon without checking past episodes.

I've never craved a MOTW episode with brothers being brothers this much before! Please show!!!

Yay this weeks episode! \o/

13th-Apr-2017 04:49 pm (UTC)
I gasped out loud when Mick died. I was liking him better than Mary before this episode, which is sad, I suppose. He seemed to respect and learn from the boys, although once we learn he killed his best friend as a kid, it becomes obvious he's deeply messed up in the head.

So we needed another reminder that Mary's a douche? (sorry...I've tried SO HARD to like her...) I just don't understand what the show is doing with her. At this rate, we'll all be screaming "Good riddance!" when she finally, FINALLY dies. Damn. She had such promise and I WANTED to relate to all her needing time, all her "trying to have it all" (that Bob Seeger song from "Exile on Main Street" comes into my head!) But she's just being SO annoying.

Edited at 2017-04-13 04:50 pm (UTC)
14th-Apr-2017 10:51 am (UTC)

I was beginning to like Mick also - at least we could see that he's got some "human" in him. I liked that he was beginning to see the boys differently. He was certainly messed up though. I suspect most BMoL are.

It is very disappointing abut Mary. I hate that we are made to be unsympathetic toward her. I mean, I've accepted the she's flawed (after all, she made a deal with a demon that involved one of her sons), but we're really seeing just how flawed she is. I would love her to be someone the boys could rely on - and that we saw how much she loved her sons. Oh well, I suppose we'll have to wait to see their plans for her are.
13th-Apr-2017 05:29 pm (UTC)
I liked what I liked (Eileen! Mick's... redemption? That's not exactly the word I'm looking for, but you know what I mean.) And good hair days are always a plus. And sadly, no Castiel is a plus these days too. As for any disappointments, I am so in love with the TV series The Expanse that I just shrug off most anything else in other series.
14th-Apr-2017 10:53 am (UTC)
Oh The Expanse is good? I've seen it pop up on Netflix and want to catch it. I have a lot of other TV shows that I am loving at the moment (omg, Broadchurch...). I just long to be excited about my show again. I'm pretty easy to please - I just want each ep to be focused on the boys...*g*

14th-Apr-2017 01:28 pm (UTC)
OMG - The Expanse! I've watched this week's episode 3x and cried at the end each time. There are 10 eps in season one and 13 in season two. (This week was 2.12.) It's been renewed for season 3 and is based on a series of novels, which have published 6 so far, I think, with more to come.

I'll be honest, I struggled with the pilot. There were 3 concurrent storylines happening with different sets of characters and I wasn't sure whom it was safe to get invested in, and what the heck was going on! By episodes 3 and 4 it became more clear. My heart really belongs to the survivors of the Canterbury: 4 or 5 crew members who didn't know each other well (or trust each other) up to that point, and had to figure out who they could count on, when all of them had secrets.

Those secrets (tragic pasts and vulnerabilities) are only slowly being unveiled. They are all deeper characters than first appear. There is also character development (for better or worse) as they face challenges to save themselves, each other, total strangers and refugees, the solar system... and the cost of those sacrifices.

The women are very brainy and feisty (a couple more have now joined my initial cluster of folks I care deeply about), and the characters (and actors) are of different races and cultures.

Very intricate political/economic world-building, with amazing science. The main characters are from Earth, Mars, and the asteroid belt (Belters).

Oh, and did I mention, there's h/c?

Give the first 4 eps a try and see if you don't get hooked too! (I know... your plate is already full!)
15th-Apr-2017 01:59 pm (UTC)
Oh yay!

It's so curious... My hubby (who is a hard core sci-fi fan) has been watching this show (and has read all the books) - but I haven't. I've just read this comment aloud to him and he is nodding and say "what?! there's a season 2?!" (our Aussie netflix only has S1). So your comment has worked in two ways - 1) I have some catch up to do! and 2) my hubby learned there's another season (which he is very excited about).

So thanks so much for this. We both have TV to look forward to! :)
14th-Apr-2017 01:20 pm (UTC)
I'm not driven to comment much these days either but I'm still watching for the boys and enjoying those bits. Eileen and Sam though! So lovely together. Sam all bashful and cute and respectful. And I too am very concerned the BMOL will bump her off, so maybe the sending her off to Ireland means they won't *fingers crossed*.

I'm miffed they bumped off Mick already. Would it kill the writers to let the boys have an ally for a change? Grrr. I was even ready to forgive his bad accent.

Edited at 2017-04-14 01:21 pm (UTC)
18th-Apr-2017 12:59 pm (UTC)
*nods* and *nods*

To be honest I just feel like I haven't anything construct to say about the eps these days. Even when I love an episode (like the last one) I just feel I've run out of constructive things to say. There will always be things I love about any episode. :)

Shame about Mick indeed - just when we were beginning to appreciate him...
14th-Apr-2017 05:33 pm (UTC)
I didn't care for either of these last two episodes even though I'd been coasting along ok for the most part this season. The setup for the episode with Mick was so dumb and over the top that I couldn't take it at all seriously. Any organization that takes that much time and effort training recruits doesn't just kill them off unless they considered the recruit a failure in some way (thus preserving their secrecy). So the setup where both were worthy candidates and could only move on by a deathmatch? Did not work for me at all. Plus the characterizations are so stereotypical and hamhanded. I mean, really, they're using a rotary phone from the 1940s?

Of course, trying to apply any logic to SPN plots has been a losing proposition forever. Case in point, Mary's storyline. It's simply a matter of money and using her in only so many episodes, which is also the reason for Cas' absence and so many other decisions they make. So they just make up reasons to keep people in only so many episodes per season and that's it. Granted they don't have to be so terrible about it but *shrugs*

I'll admit, I didn't see Mick's death coming. I expected Eileen to die in this episode. And I still think she will, just not yet. Usually episodic guest stars only last for 3 returns before they're killed off, also, I assume, for financial reasons. The fact that she has any kind of rapport with Sam only guarantees things will end badly for her ;)

But the writing was particularly flat in this episode, it was dull and dumb and I was bored. I'm particularly annoyed with how Mary is being wasted because my assumption is that the writers have some particular thing they want to do with her and that's why they brought her back at all. But until they get to that point they don't know what else to do with her, thus this meandering, inconsistent storyline that keeps her around without really developing her. I'm still positive it has to do with the nephilim and mothering in some way but I'm guessing we're not going to be seeing her past the end of this season.
22nd-Apr-2017 06:24 am (UTC)
Hey! Sorry for late reply...

Any organization that takes that much time and effort training recruits doesn't just kill them off

Good point! They could have "re-trained" him or shipped him off (like they did with Toni).

It's simply a matter of money and using her in only so many episodes, which is also the reason for Cas' absence

I find it extremely annoying - for them to always have to come up with reasons for them not appearing in an episode. Each episode starts with a discussion between them on what Cas is up to or "have you heard from mom". Then after that discussion that are generally not mentioned again.

I expected Eileen to die in this episode. And I still think she will, just not yet.

I suspect it will be after Sam has become quite close to her - maybe even have a romantic liaison. I seriously hope they don't do that, but yeah... probably fridge her to enhance our hero's plight.

But the writing was particularly flat in this episode, it was dull and dumb and I was bored.

*nods* I swear the Duo are the worst of all the writers.

Good point about Mary also - We have to assume she's been brought back for a reason (other than to give the boys less screen time) and it will be tied into the finale. Her death maybe? Problem is I think very few will be "sad' to see her go - especially has they've set her up to be quite unsympathetic. We shall see I suppose. As usual, they have a lot of balls in the air and something will have to be dropped until next season. I can't see how the BMoL can suddenly disappear so that storyline might continue. I think Lucifer is going to still be around and definitely Cas and Crowley. Man, I wouldn't like to have the writers trying to work out what to do with all of them. I would dearly love for them to drop them all for a bit and have the boys work on solving cases for a while (but that would be too much work for them now I think).
22nd-Apr-2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I find it really sad to think of them actually ruining Mary's character with the fandom for no good reason. But unfortunately SPN has always had writers who approached the series as a plot-based story with some character moments thrown in rather than the other way around. In some ways it's basically a fantasy-based procedural.
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