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13.02 a few things... 
21st-Oct-2017 08:48 pm
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Another rather enjoyable episode. (Tho my heart sank when I saw who wrote the episode (yep, the infamous Duo), but it held together fairly well. :)



Sam's hair is on point this season (yay!). Dean's ruggedly handsome face is also on point I gotta say. These guys are ageing gracefully that's for sure (and for hunters that's quite amazing).

Stuff I liked: All the Sam 'n Dean and Jack stuff. Donatello (cute), the hotel (always love seeing that well used bedhead. And the red colour has been used before - notably in "Sex and Violence". And I always love it when they show the hotel sign. I think I have a thing for hotel signs!) and the arrival of Michael - that was cool.

I love that Sam and Dean can TALK about not being on the same page but still be ok with it. Sam supporting Dean is cool and Sam seeing himself in Jack is very cool. Jack continues to be intriguing - kudos again to the actor pulling this off very well. I think the scene with Jack mimicking Dean was my fave. Jack desperately wants Dean's approval (like Dean wanting John's) - some nice parallels there. Dean is conflicted -and is probably already thinking about the time when Sam was in that dangerous place of perhaps becoming "evil". Sam is definitely thinking about that.

Stuff that was ho hum: Hell (why are demons SO boring and ineffectual these days? ), Lucifer (boo. I used to love Lucifer) and human vs demon fist fight (I'm just going to accept that Sam and Dean have super powers now and resist any punch or strangulation from an angel or demon).

Stuff I scratched my head over: Sam checking John's journal for lore on all this stuff. This seems weird to me. Did John keep notes on angels? I seem to remember John barely believed the YED was a thing - let alone angel lore. I suppose I can accept that John wrote down a lot of things he didn't really have an understanding about - just stuff he studied trying to figure out what was going on with Sam all those years ago.

I am hoping we can have a run-of-the-mill MoTW episode soon. Though, I get the feeling this may be a heavily driven myth arc season? Dunno. I like the potential of the alternative universe. Makes me wonder if there's an alternative Sam and Dean there (that would be cool!). I suspect there's an alt-Cas there (or the real Cas probably). It allows for all sorts of "dead" characters to re-appear. I hope they make better use of it than they did Purgatory. Some great potential that's for sure. :)
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21st-Oct-2017 01:24 pm (UTC)
I was pleasantly surprised considering it was a Buckleming. I didn't even mind the Lucifer bits much. I felt Mark P was managing to inject just a little of the old Lucifer into his scenes, though no matter how good his performance, he's never going to be able to regain the power that show has leached out of him simply through over use.

Don't think we'll get alt-Sam & Dean, unfortunately. It was said at the end of last season that this was a universe in which Sam and Dean were never born and, therefore, never prevented the apocalypse (but, wait, weren't they the ones who started it, so wouldn't that just mean . . . oh, well, best not to think too much :P)
22nd-Oct-2017 10:31 am (UTC)
though no matter how good his performance, he's never going to be able to regain the power that show has leached out of him simply through over use.

That's pretty much it for me I think. I've always liked Mark's interpretation of Lucifer - I think it's more just a bit of boredom with the character rather than what he's doing.

And yes. Damn, I forgot they mentioned that Sam and Dean didn't exist in this universe (though good point about what started the apocalypse). Maybe they exist but not as hunters? (that would be cool yo see them as average Joes...)
21st-Oct-2017 03:30 pm (UTC)
Sam's hair will save the day any time, hee! :D

Hell surely needs a proper revival to deserve its name again. It's just not the same anymore since Lucifer left the cage.. ;)

There is a new show "in town" called Superstition. A kind of black Supernatural. (It's the only way I can describe it.) I just watched the pilot. Sam and Dean were even mentioned in a cute scene which I thought was rather cool. Just thought to tell you in case you want to check it out. :)

22nd-Oct-2017 10:34 am (UTC)
Hell surely needs a proper revival to deserve its name again..

Yes! Hell is more like a corporate nightmare rather than a dark, menacing hell-sphere. Without Crowley they could have gone in that direction maybe.

And thanks for the head's up about Superstition. I'll see if I can find it. I'm surprised the SPN fandom aren't talking about it - especially if Sam and Dean were mentioned. :)
22nd-Oct-2017 11:27 am (UTC)
Superstition is on SyFy. And netflix, I think. I watch it via free streaming site, like the other shows.
http://www.watchepisodeseries.com/superstition
Hope that helps in finding it. :)

I'm surprised the SPN fandom aren't talking about it - especially if Sam and Dean were mentioned. :)

Perhaps nobody watched it to notice that scene. lol. I really don't know. :)

xx
22nd-Oct-2017 12:08 pm (UTC)
I've downloaded it so now I need to get round to watching!
22nd-Oct-2017 02:15 pm (UTC)
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26th-Oct-2017 10:12 am (UTC)
I watched the first ep and saw the scene where they mention Sam and Dean. That was pretty cool. I didn't mind the show - I'll have to watch some more. :)
26th-Oct-2017 10:27 am (UTC)
Yay, you found it! And watched it, hee! no title It's really not that bad, is it? :)

Sam and Dean given the new show funny looks.. lol
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21st-Oct-2017 03:44 pm (UTC)
Ah now, that shows how reasonably decent that episode was that I'm surprised it was written by the Terrible Two. I enjoyed it a lot, even Lucifer actually. I kind of like that he's almost normal but then casually obliterates a bunch of angels with a finger click and you remember he's dangerous as fuck. I also liked Michael and the potential of both the Alt Verse and Jack. That actor is really good so far - he manages to mix vulnerability, humour and power.
22nd-Oct-2017 10:38 am (UTC)
Agreed that the actor playing Jack is getting that lovely mix just right.

And for a Duo ep it wasn't half bad (yay!). I think maybe I'm just kinda bored with Lucifer (but then I have been for much of the last few seasons. Now he's lots his connection to Sam (almost completely) he's not nearly as dangerous or as intriguing to me). The Michael 'n Lucifer storyline might be interesting down the track though.
22nd-Oct-2017 12:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah I'm not exactly ecstatic to have Lucifer in the mix at all, but having him in the other verse is mildly interesting, especially as angels over there seem to be a bit more smitey than the boring bureaucrats we've been left with since the likes of Anna, Uriel and Zach were obliterated.
21st-Oct-2017 03:54 pm (UTC)
Some random thoughts:

>> Jack continues to pleasantly surprise me.

>> I'm on the same page as you about demons. And fist fights. Sigh.

>> I too love the potential for more AU scenes. Interestingly, doesn't it seem that only people who are NOT in our world show up in the AU? They did say that Sam and Dean had never been born there. I sort of wish the Wayward Daughters spinoff would be in an AU (maybe a different, less dark one: there's no reason there can only be one) so we could see Charlie and Eileen and Ellen and so many others again.

>> I find it interesting that as angry as Dean was that Sam didn't look for him in Purgatory (despite, as I recall, the fact that they'd agreed not to?), he is adamantly rejecting any thought of trying to get Mary back. If I were writing fic any more (and I'm not), I'd be tempted to explore this. (I'm not judging Dean - I just think it shouldn't be taken at a surface level and would like to see it examined and maybe even discussed... between the brothers? But I still have a grudge against the way death in Supernatural has become so temporary as to remove any real sense of sacrifice and loss, so I have conflicted feelings about the whole shebang.)

>> Well, apparently, I still have thoughts and feelings for this show! (Beyond the eternal appreciation of good hair days!)
21st-Oct-2017 05:50 pm (UTC)
Oh I wish you WOULD write something along those lines, I miss your writing and thinky thoughts...
26th-Oct-2017 10:19 am (UTC)
*nods* Seeing Charlie and Eileen and Ellen (and Jo *g*) again would be great.

I had forgotten that they had said Sam and Dean weren't in this universe. Shame...

he is adamantly rejecting any thought of trying to get Mary back.

This is weird to me also. I figured it was because he doesn't want to face the fact that she could be dead, but after being so angry at Sam for not looking for him in S8 you'd think he'd be thinking of it differently (though I'm convinced the writers don't take these things into account if it doesn't match the story they want to tell).

But I still have a grudge against the way death in Supernatural has become so temporary as to remove any real sense of sacrifice and loss, so I have conflicted feelings about the whole shebang.)

Definitely!
21st-Oct-2017 07:19 pm (UTC)
Pleasantly surprised was my feeling too after seeing the writing credit! :)
26th-Oct-2017 10:20 am (UTC)
Hehe. Indeed. Glad to be pleasantly surprised. :)
22nd-Oct-2017 07:46 pm (UTC)
I had the same reaction to the writer credits and also the same feeling after the ep. :) Also, I'm not getting a lot of joy out of Lucifer either as he's just doing his bad guy monologue all the time.

I completely share your love for the boys being able to talk and disagree and still not fight with each other. <3
26th-Oct-2017 10:23 am (UTC)
he's just doing his bad guy monologue all the time.

That's probably what it is for me too. The kind of delight I used to get out of him is gone (maybe it was the writing? Not sure...)
22nd-Oct-2017 07:49 pm (UTC)
Yes! to all the above, and was thinking the same thing....didn't demons used to be scary? Overuse is a huge problem in this show, and demons are a casualty of a 13 year run. (what a weird sentence!) Angels were conceptually flawed from the beginning, in my opinion, but demons were genuinely scary in those first two seasons.

I really love Jack, and I appreciate seeing Sam and Dean's relationship at this point. Like any good marriage, they seem to have learned to let it go and agree to disagree. For the time being, at least. Dependent but not co-dependent. Now don't get me wrong. I like co-dependent Sam and Dean just fine, but I think that storyline has worn out its welcome.

Jensen and Jared are awesome and I cannot imagine getting tired of watching them share a screen.
26th-Oct-2017 10:27 am (UTC)
*nods* to all! I'm really loving Jack too. The actor is bring a nice nuance to it. And it's kinda fun seeing Sam and Dean as parents. :)

I cannot imagine getting tired of watching them share a screen.

It's still what keeps making me come back!
23rd-Oct-2017 08:41 am (UTC)
Shockingly good episode considering the writing credits, but then this show does like to throw us curve-balls occasionally, including making something good when we expect dross from certain people.

I did like seeing Michael. That was a treat, and he's angry!

Dean and Sam speaking, yes, all the yes. And Jack, I'm slowly but surely falling quite in love with him.
26th-Oct-2017 10:30 am (UTC)
And Jack, I'm slowly but surely falling quite in love with him.

Me too! He's such a cutie! :)
23rd-Oct-2017 10:21 am (UTC)
I'm with you - a strong ep from these two! When we opened to hell, I did have a little sad sigh; I was kind of hoping we'd get less of the demon drama now that Crowley is gone. I too miss the days when demons were scary, but I did enjoy the new YED's entry, he does have a presence about him that reminds me of the good old day :)

All the scenes with the boys and Jack I enjoyed, and I was happy to be Donatello back and surprising fine without his soul. I'm hoping we'll eventually see a crack in Dean's armour as I'm not sure I want a whole season of him like this, but maybe it's all too painful for him to have any hope right now, like he's protecting himself from the pain of being let down again so Mary had to be dead and Jack has be evil.

Sam's hair is indeed delicious (I'd like a few shorter pieces at the front though) but lovely fluffy volume!!! And tattoo, we got to see the tattoo *faints*!!! Take care, and I'm loving seeing some thinky thoughts from you *hugs*

26th-Oct-2017 10:40 am (UTC)
Oh yes! The tattoo! That was indeed a treat. :) I enjoyed that scene also (though not sure if a tattoo like that would have worked on a nephilim anyway?)

My fave Sam hair was S8 - those lovely loooong locks. Anything that's not that bob I'm happy with. :))

xx
28th-Oct-2017 02:23 am (UTC)
So true about the demons being boring. Re: John's journal, I agree with what you said about angels and them being way beyond what he would have recorded. But perhaps that was simply lore about hell which I think he probably did pay attention since demons came from somewhere and could be sent back there with an exorcism.

I also liked Jack doing the mimicking. It makes me wonder if Sam used to do that with Dean when they were little.
28th-Oct-2017 11:58 am (UTC)
It makes me wonder if Sam used to do that with Dean when they were little.

Ah yes! That's a good thought. I'm absolutely sure Sam learned things that way. :))
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