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27th-Oct-2018 07:26 pm
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I was going to type up a twitter response to SPN 14.03 (and season so far), but I'm not good with that thread stuff so I thought I'd dust off my poor, neglected LJ and type up some responses here. :)

Hey all!! Hope you're all doing well. xx

So. S14 eh? Incredible really and I still find it weird that a show I fell in love with 14 years ago is still going. Maybe not going as strong, but wow...still going.

I'm still watching and I'm still (mostly) engaged and interested in the stories. No where near the level I used to be, but I'm still drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

The overwhelming feeling I have so far is simply one of weariness. There's certainly some things I'm enjoying but I just feel that the stories feel a little tired - there's nothing especially dynamic or really that new or interesting. That's not to say it's bad - the acting and directing is still solid and the writing is pretty strong. It just feels a bit, well, tired...

I'll try to unpack that a bit.

I accept that it must be extremely difficult to come up with new ideas and stories this far into the series - especially when it comes to giving Jared and Jensen some new and interesting challenges. I thought Dean being possessed for the first time held some promise. And indeed Jensen did an admirable job of being "other". I especially thought his 14.01 performance was outstanding. He was so clearly *not* Dean - the change of cadence in his voice was particularly noticeable, as was his vocal pace and change in body language. I didn't feel he captured that so well in 14.02 and 14.03, but it was still pretty damn good.

I think I'm just a bit disappointed that there was nothing more interesting in the aftermath of it all. I know it's only early, so maybe there will be more yet, but Dean feeling guilty and remembering being possessed and lying to Sam and saying he didn't etc etc just felt... idk....tired? Done before? Same old? I'll reserve my judgement on this as I feel (maybe hope) that there's more to all this than meets the eye. I think it might be interesting if Michael is still actually in there and subtly manipulating Dean and over time we might see some changes in him (though, that would be pretty much what they did with the Mark - so, hmmm... not sure where they can go with this that hasn't already been explored). Also, Dean was kind of a dick at times (hey, he acknowledged that himself!) and I'm not sure what to do with that. I feel like I'm passed feeling sorry for him (and even Sam for that matter - especially when they've done questionable things).

I absolutely ADORED in charge Sam in the first episode. The command he had over the demons!! Kill me now! That was awesome and I was rather hopeful we'd see more of this. But... alas. Sam reverted to being almost ashamed of his leadership skills in front of Dean. I know Sam is being careful and considerate around Dean now that he's back, but he just seemed to lose all that confidence when Dean returned. Again, we've seen this all before so it was just a bit, um, tiresome.

It also seemed like the perfect opportunity for the brothers to connect over a truly shared experience - angel possession. With a simple "I know" from Sam we could have seen Dean acknowledge Sam's past experiences and share the bond of surviving it. (I won't even start on the, still lingering, bitterness I feel about them allowing Dean to have an angel possess Sam without his consent in S9 - but how amazing would it be for that to be acknowledged. Yeah. It know it will never happen, I just have to accept that).


I felt 14.03 was a "tying-up" of the Wayward Daughters attempted spin off. I don't begrudge Berens for doing that, he seemed pretty invested in it. I'm glad we got more info on what happened to Kaia. The spin off was doomed to fail really - they just don't seem to get what it is about Supernatural that makes it work (hello - TWO BROTHERS WHO KEEP DOING STUPID THINGS FOR EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY LOVE EACH OTHER THAT MUCH!). I appreciate they want to capture the magic that's kept SPn going for 14 years but it's pretty tough. My thought is they introduce a new Sam and Dean type characters (brothers or best buddies etc) and go back to telling hunting urban legend stories).

I still really like Jody. I like the relationship she was with the boys. :)

As for all the others? I don't know. At times I'm interested, but mostly I don't care so much. I know the show has to include them all to give the Js time off but unless the focus is on them I'm not particularly engaged. Their on screen chemistry is still amazing and I hang out for those moments.

That all said, I don't mind the idea of the bunker being a hunters headquarters. It makes some sense - especially as it's been breached so many times and SO many people have visited it now anyway, it's hardly a secret. I wonder where they are all sleeping though? Or maybe it's just a drop in spot. I think Dean will eventually shoo them all away at some point though.

I keep saying (and hearing) that it would be great to move on from the angel and demon storylines but I think it's time to accept that this is what Supernatural is now (and has been since S1 really, but just not has all encompassing as it is now). With the wings in the title card there's certainly no escaping it. Hopefully there might be at least one or two episodes this season that have Sam and Dean, on the road, in a weirdly decorated hotel, fighting a monster together.

I am enjoying not being so invested in the show now I have to say. I like not getting truly upset when it's bad (oh yes, there have been real tears in the past), but still feeling satisfied when it's good. :)
27th-Oct-2018 12:07 pm (UTC)
It's not the angel/demon storylines I dislike, it's the inability of the showrunners to get to grips with them and do something decent with them. I mean having Heaven brought into the equation in Season 4 was a brilliant move - angels were dicks; powerful and in many ways, unpredictable creatures, and their agenda/s spiced up the overall arc beautifully.

Then TPTB saw how popular Castiel was, and started pressuring writers to keep him in the show. Then each show runner tried to replicate a little of the Season 1-5 magic but without having an overarching vision that would form a frame to hang their bits and pieces from.

So now we have a mishmash of options, and no cohesive vision of what to do with them all.

I was reading a comment somewhere (I think on Discord) that mentioned that Robert Singer is old school and doesn't understand the power of a single thread running through one or even several seasons. So the result is disjointed and patchy.

But like you, I watch for the occasional nugget of pure gold (which I have to say, is usually supplied by the Winchesters).
27th-Oct-2018 12:28 pm (UTC)
Agreed - trying to capture the magic and cohesion of S1-5 but lacking the ability to make overarching, long term storylines. Not easy I'm sure.

Still, there's plenty of magic between the boys. :)
27th-Oct-2018 03:54 pm (UTC)
There is! And I love Jack. So there is that.

I meant to say - it's awesome to have you posting here too!
27th-Oct-2018 01:04 pm (UTC)
Hello! Glad to hear your still watching--nice to see your name pop up! :) Yes, the plot leaves something to be desired, but I will watch Jared and Jensen to the end!
28th-Oct-2018 10:53 am (UTC)
Looks like I'll be watching to the end too! :)

And regarding the vid idea below - sadly, I think my vidding days are over. It's not just the lack of time and inspiration, it's that I will have to teach myself how to use a new vid program and all my footage would have to be reconfigured. I'll not say never - because if the urge ever becomes so big I just HAVE to (like when I started vidding) - then there might be one more in me yet. :)
27th-Oct-2018 03:34 pm (UTC)
Did you catch a video of Jensen singing 'SOB' at VanCon last weekend? If ever there was a song begging to be turned into a fanvid... :)

27th-Oct-2018 07:57 pm (UTC)
'I am enjoying not being so invested in the show now I have to say. I like not getting truly upset when it's bad (oh yes, there have been real tears in the past), but still feeling satisfied when it's good. :)'

Yes to your thoughts- me too! I am along for the ride it is just different for me now. I do like how Sam has been written this season- and I like Jack.

Thanks for popping in- I always enjoy reading your thoughts!
28th-Oct-2018 10:54 am (UTC)
Hi. Every now and then I get the urge to write things down. :) I like Jack too - I like the way the actor plays him actually.
27th-Oct-2018 11:06 pm (UTC)
Lovely to see you, now dust-free! I agree with a lot of what you've said about the show, and that the reason many of us are still watching is - and always has been/will be - the relationship between the Winchesters and the chemistry between Jensen and Jared. As you put it "Their on screen chemistry is still amazing and I hang out for those moments." I think we got a few of these in the new episode - I loved Dean's reaction to Sam's beard! I am excited to see what S14 brings us and hopeful that the Deanael storyline will get more interesting.
29th-Oct-2018 10:09 am (UTC)

It's a little dust free. I have a feeling it might start accumulating dusk again soon...

There have been some nice moments between the brothers. Dean's reaction to Sam's beard was hilarious - as was Sam's "some people say I look good!" :D

The lighter brother moments are lovely - as are their meaningful talks.

28th-Oct-2018 03:02 am (UTC)
Yes, that's about where I'm at with the show, too. Good to see you back! :))

Edited at 2018-10-28 03:02 am (UTC)
29th-Oct-2018 10:10 am (UTC)
Ah cool! I've wondered how others have been seeing it.

I've been very neglectful of LJ. I haven't opened it in ages (I seem to spend most of my time on twitter these days).

28th-Oct-2018 09:27 am (UTC)
So happy to see you post, and pretty much ditto to everything you said ♥️
29th-Oct-2018 10:11 am (UTC)
Thanks hun. It's nice to post something actually (I almost forgot how to do a text-cut!)
29th-Oct-2018 01:27 am (UTC)
How great to see you again!

Thanks for writing this. I stopped watching, just lost interest. I was getting progressively more pissed off, and "hate watching" is something I only do rarely (House, I'm looking at you). I stopped more out of indifference than anything else. Even though Jack is an adorable little piece of nougat. Now that he's angsting around like everyone else it's not much fun. And the brothers' conflicts are always exactly the same. I swear to God, you could take an end scene and swap one from any other scene and we wouldn't notice the difference except in the change of Sam's haircut.

Edited at 2018-10-29 01:28 am (UTC)
29th-Oct-2018 10:16 am (UTC)

I swear to God, you could take an end scene and swap one from any other scene and we wouldn't notice the difference except in the change of Sam's haircut.

Ha. Yes indeed!

You know, I thought I'd be out of it this season. I really didn't care that it was back and I've not been busting to see it each week - like I used to be. But, damn, I'm drawn back and I just have to see the boys on the screen. I suppose I just wish they'd do something different. The guilt thing is getting tedious (they make choice for each other, so stop feeling guilty about it!). And as usual, there's missed opportunities to resolve past issues etc. But I know they're not on the writers' radars so we'll never really get those resolutions.

I don't hold much excitement for S14, but I'll be watching anyway. :)
29th-Oct-2018 01:40 pm (UTC)
I get my fix by photos, mostly, and the occasional interview.
29th-Oct-2018 04:37 pm (UTC)
Me too, bb, me too.
30th-Oct-2018 10:31 am (UTC)

31st-Oct-2018 12:36 pm (UTC)
Hi there lovely, it's great to see you *hugs*

I'll be here until the end and long after probably, but I still care about the boys and their adventures, and while it's sad to see J2 lose screen time, I fully appreciate why. I loved the season opener, and being able to see Sam take the lead and 'shine' a bit, and I'd like to see him take charger a bit more. There's some interesting potential on the horizon, like as you say Sam and Dean both being possessed by arch angels, and we got so close to that conversation in 14.03.

Take care ♥
11th-Nov-2018 10:41 am (UTC)

Sorry for late reply. I've mostly been enjoying the seasons so far (just watched 14.05). There's been some great brother moments (what I watch for!) and so good hunts. Hopefully it will keep up. :)


1st-Nov-2018 09:46 pm (UTC)
Hey you! :D I will totally be here as long as the boys are here. :D And as long as I can squee at the boys, I can also overlook some weaknesses in the story-telling. After 14 seasons, there are probably not going to be a lot of ideas that don't remind us of an earlier episode or storyline, but I'm also wary of the writers trying to turn everything around just because they want to do something new and unseen.

My personal take was that Dean has learnt things on the way: he was being kind of dick but he acknowledged it and he also didn't really fight Sam on facing what Michael did to him (hey, it took only one ep for him to admit that he remembers things, so that's progress ;D ). And Sam can be a very good and effective leader if he has to but he's more comfortable if Dean takes that position because he doesn't see himself as a leader. The latter would also explain why he's a bit embarrassed when random hunters call him "chief". :)
11th-Nov-2018 10:45 am (UTC)
Hey there! Sorry for later reply.

I'm here for the long haul it seems. :) I've been enjoying the season so far. And yes, I suppose after so many seasons it's hard to tell completely new stores. I think they're handling them pretty well so far. I'm not entirely interested in some of the story lines, but I can put up with those as long as the boys are in there somewhere. :)

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